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They are liars. All of them.
(challenges MSM's version of events in Georgia)
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| 8/15/08
| Daniel Usenko
Posted on 08/15/2008 2:27:26 PM PDT by XR7
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To: throwback
"The other day my local paper put Gorbachevs latest apologetic for this war on the editorial page. Why is it that these communists that so love their country can't bring themselves to live among the ashes of their beloved motherland, and stay the h_ll out of our country. It was your bed Gorbi, go sleep in it." My observations on the question you posed:
- They are treated like celebrities here.
- They make loads of money here (even becoming millionaires)
- They much prefer living in modern a country with working infrastructure.
- The weather is much better here than in Russia.
- The food is better here that in Russia.
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posted on
08/15/2008 3:37:26 PM PDT
by
StormEye
To: dirtboy; MarMema; Lilith Incubus; All
Okay. Okay.
But it is just amazing to me how FR is full of posts claiming that the MSM is biased, doesn't tell the truth, favors Obama and the RATS, etc., etc. And I don't disagree. But when this dude, who is a Russian, makes a similar observation, we slam him. One thing I have observed is that most Russian immigrants to the US I have met are staunchly pro-American, support George Bush, and understand the reality of how fortunate they are to have escaped tyrrany. Maybe this guy is a kook. Maybe he is a commie plant. But he sounds like just a regular guy to me who has family over there, and as I said, things are not always as they seem. Just scratching my head here - not pointing fingers. I am just not ready to believe everything I have been spoonfed by the MSM, and I am willing to give this photographer the benefit of a doubt, that's all.
62
posted on
08/15/2008 3:38:45 PM PDT
by
XR7
To: XR7
But when this dude, who is a Russian, makes a similar observation, we slam him. The fact that he omitted that he was a Russian national in this posting removes his credibility. He had a potential bias to begin with, and his failure to reveal that turned it from a potential bias into an actual one.
63
posted on
08/15/2008 3:41:36 PM PDT
by
dirtboy
To: Lilith Incubus
I think it's important that South Ossetians decide what leadership and culture they want to live under, and as they're essentially broken away from Georgia, one must assume that they don't want to be part of Georgia. S. Ossetia is said to be a patch work of ethnic Georgians and Ossetians. Does the Georgian population have a right to remain part of Georgia or does it only work the other way around? Abkahzia cleansed their territory of ethnic Georgians in the 90s but only were able to finish the job now by destroying the last few Georgian towns in the region.
64
posted on
08/15/2008 3:42:57 PM PDT
by
Tramonto
(Regime change in Russia)
To: dirtboy
Everyone is biased.
That does not negate the truth, if they are speaking it.
65
posted on
08/15/2008 3:43:48 PM PDT
by
XR7
To: who_would_fardels_bear
Merging with Georgia seems to me to be a wiser policy then merging back with Russia. Expecting that Russia will somehow support an independent Abkhazia is a pipe dream. The Abkhazians should have worked with the Georgians to create an autonomous region with strong ties to the Georgian government. I suspect the decision makers in Abkhazia are Russian puppets.
To: XR7
67
posted on
08/15/2008 3:45:25 PM PDT
by
MarMema
(Tavisuplebas dideba!)
To: XR7
So, the Georgians hate the Ossetians so much that that there is wanton slaughter unless the Ossetians are protested by the Russians. I’ve seen these people on TV, and, seriously, how do they tell each other apart? They all look alike to me. How do they know who to kill?
68
posted on
08/15/2008 3:45:33 PM PDT
by
uscabjd
( a)
To: XR7
Daniel Usenko, Russian living off of American Taxpayers in the USAJackass
69
posted on
08/15/2008 3:47:27 PM PDT
by
abigailsmybaby
(I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
To: XR7
That does not negate the truth, if they are speaking it.The fact that he hid that he was Russian, which is CLEARLY relevant to his point of view, casts considerable doubt as to whether he is being truthful in his account.
70
posted on
08/15/2008 3:48:35 PM PDT
by
dirtboy
To: FreeReign
I suspect the decision makers in Abkhazia are Russian puppets. And I can guarantee you that the leader in South Ossetia is one.
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posted on
08/15/2008 3:48:52 PM PDT
by
MarMema
(Tavisuplebas dideba!)
To: XR7
Horsefeathers. The Russian's paid goons squads have been firing at Georgians from behind Russian military "peacekeepers" for weeks, while Russia moved its army into position to attack as soon as Georgia did anything about it. This is about as much a matter of Georgian aggression as Germany's invasion of Poland in 1939. Anybody remember the ridiculous got-up "border incidents" that era's fascists tried to use to justify their invasions? Anybody fall for it, or care? Also, just as a credibility issue, Abkhazian mass murderers drove a hundred thousand Georgians (a large majority of the population) from the province in the early 90s by open ethnic cleansing, murder with torture, etc, all with Russian support. Abkhazians talking about other people's aggression are about as credible as the Waffen SS whining they are victims.
72
posted on
08/15/2008 3:49:55 PM PDT
by
JasonC
To: StormEye
The food is better here that in Russia.What?? You don't think cabbage and potatoes are yummy?
73
posted on
08/15/2008 3:50:29 PM PDT
by
MarMema
(Tavisuplebas dideba!)
To: JasonC
And kidnapping, even children from Georgian villages, for years.
74
posted on
08/15/2008 3:51:00 PM PDT
by
MarMema
(Tavisuplebas dideba!)
To: isrul
It looks like Putin is a lot smarter than anyone we have in power. It doesn't take much smarts for an elephant to step on an ant.
75
posted on
08/15/2008 3:52:04 PM PDT
by
tbpiper
(NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
To: XR7
I do understand that point. And you are right, the media is biased, unless they are agreeing with what we think. haha That point is valid on your part.
And I would be inclined to believe it more if Russia wasn’t still in Georgia, still moving troops across the area that has nothing to do with the South Ossetians, just today threatened to NUKE Poland for daring to allow the US a defense system in that area...
See, had Russia only defended the people it claimed were attacked, I would be not so ready to believe the media. But given what I have said above, I do not find Russia as the victim here. As Daniel Usenko has implied.
To: XR7
No offense to the author of this piece, but Poland and Ukraine disagree with him.
What do these countries know that we don’t? That’s right, they lived under Russian domination and can see through this BS. I have worked with men from Russia and Ukraine -all speak Russian and all have Soviet college degrees and US law degrees - I really like them, but they don’t care for each other. Strangest thing you ever saw.
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posted on
08/15/2008 3:54:40 PM PDT
by
uscabjd
( a)
To: Lilith Incubus
Of course you are correct that Georgia's aggression against South Ossetia ignited this whole issue, anyone who cannot see this must have blinkered vision. The 95%+ Russian population in south Ossetia were under threat from Saakashvili and his troops.South Ossetia is/was 30% ethnic Georgia.
So. Ossetia rebels(terrorists) were shelling ethnic Georgian villages in South Ossetia. That's when Georgia responded.
To: FreeReign
"I suspect the decision makers in Abkhazia are Russian puppets." Looks like a job for Team America: World Police...
To: FreeReign
But you don’t hear that part. Only people repeating the mantra that Russia was merely defending from the evil Georgia!
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