Posted on 08/15/2008 8:55:16 AM PDT by bimmer_n_me
An eyewitness account from the conflict zone.
Georgia started it by invading Georgia?
Russia somehow managed in 6 hours to plan, mobilize for and launch a coordinated military and info-warfare campaign for an incursion into another country? All to protect those Russians who are not Russian?
Is that why Russia is now saying they will not permit a Georgian government that is not a puppet of Russia?
Is it just a coincidence that Russia’s tool of choice for international extortion is shutting off gas pipelines, and that Georgia controls one such pipeline that just recently started flowing from Baku? Does this have no relationship whatsoever with Russia planting its flag under the Artic ice?
Right.
Exactly! South Ossetia has been part of Georgia since they declared their independance. Even though South Ossetia wants it’s own independance now no other country has recognized it as it’s own state. It’s said that only 1/3 of the residents of South Ossetia are Russian and want the old days of the USSR back so even the “wanting independace from” is in question?
We know Russia has a long history of threatening its weaker neighbors, blackmailing its neighbors, assassinating dissidents at home and abroad, imprisoning writers, exiling people based on ethnicity, using brutality to shut down debate, invading its neighbors, absorbing its neighbors, subsidizing terrorism, state-sanctioned starvation of Ukrainians and even Ethiopians, making deals with Nazis to divide up other nations, paranoia-inspired purges, nuclear proliferation, seeking a warm water port at any cost, spewing obvious bullspit, funding antigovernment demonstrators, ecofreaks and even terrorists in the USA, using lasers to blind pilots, violating arms treaties rather than simply backing out of them, murdering captured military officers in cold blood, and just generally being annoying by demanding that everyone but themselves consult the UN before making any moves.
If you know it's a poisonous snake, for Pete's sake, don't put it in your pocket no matter how cold it claims to be.
Since when did FR become innundated with so many Russian ass kissers?
Just as we have plans for interventions, so do the Russians. When Georgia increased tension in South Ossetia, Russia moved the 58th army into location near the Roki tunnel on August 4th.
When Georgian forces pulled back tensions eased.
Georgian President Saakashvili gave a speech Wednesday evening at 7:10, promising a cease fire and stating Georgia would not be provoked. OSCE peace talks were planned for the next day, the 8th. Before the day was over, Georgia had launched an all out surprise attack on South Ossetia, including the indiscriminate shelling of Tskhinvali with highly inaccurate Grad MLRS rockets. (HRW has condemned Georgia for these attacks on civilian areas.)
The Russian 58th army move through the Roki tunnel into South Osseta around 5:30 on the 8th.
The rest is history.
I’m just curious. How do you think the US Army would respond if they get reports that several dozens of their peacekeepers were killed while trying to prevent bloodshed in a conflict zone?
Ok, move moved. Guess you've never made a typo!
You can read it for yourself here. (scroll down to the bottom)
Is the Georgian Ministry of Foreign Affairs good enough for you? Or do you think I just hacked it?
p.s. Do some research, you might learn something! Capiche?
Thats some quick response time for Russia. The web attacks also preceded the invasion. The world isn't going to buy the soviet propaganda. There is too much information available now days.
http://georgiandaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5321&Itemid=65
# Aug. 7, 10:30 p.m.: South Ossetia breaks a cease-fire agreement with Georgia, according to the secretary of the Georgian National Security Council, Kakha Lomaia. Lomaia said the “separatists opened fire at the two Georgian villages of Prisi and Tamarasheni.”
# Approximately 11:55 p.m.: An aide to the commander of Russia’s peacekeeping forces tells Interfax in an interview that South Ossetia’s capital city, Tskhinvali, is being shelled from GRAD-type multiple rocket launchers.
# Aug. 8, midnight: A defense ministry official from Georgia says that Georgia has decided to “restore constitutional order to the entire region” of South Ossetia.
# 1:47 a.m.: Interfax reports that “hundreds” of volunteers from Russia and Abkhazia are heading to South Ossetia to join the separatists fighting Tbilisi.
# 1:53 a.m.: Reports are received that Georgian troops and tanks are outside Tskhinvali.
# 1:59 a.m.: Leaders of Georgia’s other separatist region, Abkhazia, convene the region’s military council.
# 2:03 a.m.: The United States urges Russia to press South Ossetia to “stop fire.”
# 2:06 a.m.: Reports are received that Russian forces are moving through the Roki Tunnel to South Ossetia.
I am trying to be pro-common sense here. Historically neither S. Ossetia nor Abhazia were ever a part of Georgia. Not until in the early 1930-ies Stalin (an ethnic Georgian) redrew the border and added these provinces to Georgia. It is a centuries old dispute and we have no business of getting into it.
Before you start arguing and cry “bomb, bomb, bomb”, get your facts straight.
The absurdity of your hypothetical situation is that you believe that's what Russia was actually doing!
You are unbelievably naive about Russia's methods, friend.
Yeah, Saddam said the same sort of thing about Kuwait.
Cry me a river.
You forgot that both Kuwait and Iraq had plenty of oil. Georgia - nada. Only that lunatic president of theirs.
I want to hear both sides. It is that simple.
Good information. Do you know when the web attacks started?
It’s funny and scary at the same time, but several of my today’s posts got re-linked by the moderator to different sources than was posted originally.
Originally, I got the link from the US YouTube, not Russian YouTube.
Any comments from moderator?
You are right they have no oil but they do control the flow of oil through their country. That pipe line will be the only line that flows the Russians do not control heading to the EU.
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