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Fox News: 12 Year Old Girl Tells the Truth about Georgia
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Posted on 08/15/2008 8:55:16 AM PDT by bimmer_n_me

An eyewitness account from the conflict zone.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: georgia; kgb; ossetia; pravda; propaganda; russia; southossetia; war
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To: F-117A

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141 posted on 08/16/2008 12:41:35 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Rick.Donaldson
South Ossetia is part of Georgia. Just like Michigan is a part of the US.

Only in Bizzaroworld. The flag of the United States flies over Michigan. The flag of Georgia did not fly anywhere in South Ossetia at the time it was attacked by Georgia.

South Ossetia has been officially autonomous since the 1920s. In contrat to Michigan, it has been defacto independent (along with Georgia) since the fall of the Soviet Union.

142 posted on 08/16/2008 1:22:40 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Rick.Donaldson
South Ossetia is part of Georgia. Just like Michigan is a part of the US.

Michigan is a constituent member of the United States. I am not sure what the status of South Ossetia may be.

That said, it seems to me that most of the posters here are missing the key point. Clinton's unAmerican intrusion into the Serbian Civil War left us no moral authority to pose as holy in relation to what is going on in or around Georgia. Tunnel vision does not add to anybody's credibility.

That said, I have no idea who are the more righteous of the participants in the Caucuses, and can only wonder at the reliability of the sources that some, here, seem to be relying on.

143 posted on 08/16/2008 1:58:32 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: MarMema
Thanks, MarMema. I have tried to follow your posts because of the excellent information you have from the real source. Also because, despite obvious deep caring passion, you manage to stay very even and balanced. Usually when I disagree with someone on here, I usually try to keep it civil even if I'm fairly strong in my statements.

However, when confronted by garbage that defends rapists, arsonists, and murderers and then lies and says the victims did it... Well, as you can see I have ended up calling them what they are and civility is uncalled for IMO.

144 posted on 08/16/2008 3:21:39 PM PDT by Sal (Pyrrhic Pooty just took Russia down to a 3rd class, 3rd world POS country that is dying.)
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To: Sal
this is the country that — where — which had been bombed with cluster bombs, which has been robbed, looted. And still the police function. The lights were on. Doctors were in place. Supply lines never stopped. And people never got desperate and never ran away and never succumbed to this pressure

Yes, they are an incredible people, which is why, I think those of us who go there can never forget them. They have an honor and integrity about them that is very inspiring.

145 posted on 08/16/2008 3:30:53 PM PDT by MarMema (The people of Georgia have cast their lot with the free world, and we will not cast them aside)
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To: Sal

I thought you were great. :-)


146 posted on 08/16/2008 3:32:59 PM PDT by MarMema (The people of Georgia have cast their lot with the free world, and we will not cast them aside)
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To: Captain Kirk

You came from that Bizzoworld, as far as I am concerned.
You don’t know anything about South Ossetia. You should get an education before you post.


147 posted on 08/16/2008 3:40:35 PM PDT by MarMema (The people of Georgia have cast their lot with the free world, and we will not cast them aside)
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To: Ohioan
South Ossetia is recognized as part of the country of Georgia and you can read more about it here.

South Ossetia is a smuggling and money laundering haven for criminal gangs from Russia. They have a former soviet wrestler for a leader (can you say puppet?), the elections were questionable at best in the fine tradition of Russia, and the industry is negligible.

another good explanation is here.

"Indeed, it can be difficult to distinguish between Ossetians and other Georgians due to high levels of inter-marriage and assimilation. Ossetians have been more a part of the Georgian state than other minorities."

Gamsakurdia was a huge problem for Georgia in a lot of ways.

148 posted on 08/16/2008 3:56:22 PM PDT by MarMema (The people of Georgia have cast their lot with the free world, and we will not cast them aside)
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To: MarMema
You came from that Bizzoworld, as far as I am concerned. You don’t know anything about South Ossetia. You should get an education before you post.

Nice little speech but you sound like Obama (all generalities and no substance). If I am wrong, provide some evidence. BTW, it is Bizzaroworld, not Bizzoworld.

149 posted on 08/16/2008 5:33:36 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
You know Ossetians used to live in the Pankisi Gorge alongside Kists and Georgians, before they migrated to South Ossetia.

Your post was about the same quality as mine.

150 posted on 08/16/2008 5:35:45 PM PDT by MarMema (The people of Georgia have cast their lot with the free world, and we will not cast them aside)
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To: Captain Kirk
this is a good primer on Georgian history

"During the reigns of his succesors, the borders of the Georgian Kingdom expanded still wider from Nicopsia (a city between modern Sokhi and Tuapse) to Derbent (on the Caspian Sea) and from Ossetia (North Caucasus) to Mt. Ararat in Armenia."

And the Abkhaz are all over in the writing.

Both are historically a part of Georgia since medieval time.

151 posted on 08/16/2008 5:47:27 PM PDT by MarMema (The people of Georgia have cast their lot with the free world, and we will not cast them aside)
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To: MarMema

Thanks for the primer but in medieval times, of course, the Mongols ruled Russia and China and the Greeks ruled Turkey. That period was so long ago that provides little to no help to judging the current situation. I am more interested in the last eighty years, especially the period since 1991. What is the record for that period?


152 posted on 08/16/2008 8:19:10 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
The Georgians are an ancient civilization. Their language and choral harmonies are unable to be traced. They were making wine before Christ. Their language is among the most ancient 3 or 4 known in the world.

In Tbilisi they still have much of the feudal fortress in place and you can visit it. It is called Narakala.

1991 is irrelevant.

Have you heard about Dmansi?

153 posted on 08/16/2008 8:28:56 PM PDT by MarMema (The people of Georgia have cast their lot with the free world, and we will not cast them aside)
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To: Captain Kirk
Mongols, nothing. I am talking ancient. I stood in a 4th century church in Georgia.

Narikala is an ancient fortress overlooking Tbilisi, the capital of Georgia, and the Kura river. The fortress consists of two walled sections on a steep hill between the sulphur baths and the botanical gardens of Tbilisi. On the lower court there is the recently restored St Nicholas church.

The fortress was established in the 4th century as Shuris-tsikhe (i.e., "Invidious Fort"). It was considerably expanded in the 7th century and later, by king David the Builder (1089-1125). The Mongols renamed it "Narin Qala" (i.e., "Little Fortress").

154 posted on 08/16/2008 8:35:35 PM PDT by MarMema (The people of Georgia have cast their lot with the free world, and we will not cast them aside)
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To: Captain Kirk
Remains of towns at this location have been dated to earlier than the year 1000 BC, and Mtskheta was capital of the early Georgian Kingdom of Iberia during the 3rd century BC - 5th century AD. It was the site of early Christian activity, and the location where Christianity was proclaimed the state religion of Georgia in 317. Mtskheta still remains the headquarters of the Georgian Orthodox and Apostolic Church.
155 posted on 08/16/2008 8:38:00 PM PDT by MarMema (The people of Georgia have cast their lot with the free world, and we will not cast them aside)
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To: MarMema

I could say the say the same for villages in Iraq which were once ruled by the Persians, countless Turkish or North African villages which were ruled by the Greeks. Ancient History is always a useful guide to the current situation on the ground. The cold hard fact that is that Georgia rules territory which rejects its rule. The South Ossetians have rights too. In any case, I am not suggesting that we pick sides, only that we stay out that mess.


156 posted on 08/16/2008 10:22:38 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

Almost every country in the world has a separatist region.
We should never have given Kosovo away.


157 posted on 08/16/2008 10:46:44 PM PDT by MarMema (The people of Georgia have cast their lot with the free world, and we will not cast them aside)
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To: MarMema

Well...on that basis, that “separatist” George Washington deserved to be sent to the gallows, didn’t he?


158 posted on 08/17/2008 8:19:41 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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