MYSTERY SCHOOL RECORD ON OBAMA RESURFACES-IS IT GENUINE?

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=23582 ^

[EBH]

She may not have gained custody back in Indonesia. Recall she sent Obama back to the United States several years later.

Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, and the family moved to Soetoro’s home country of Indonesia in 1967, where Obama attended local schools in Jakarta until he was ten years old. He then returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents while attending Punahou School from the fifth grade in 1971 until his graduation from high school in 1979.
Obama (1995), Chapters 3 and 4.

Ann more or less abandoned him to her parents. Why? Perhaps is was because of the divorce. She couldn't return to Indonesia with Obama the child as she didn't have custody.

[MindBender26]

As I said, this is a political, not a legal issue at this point.

[Amityschild]

The FEC doesn't do much other than watch the money flow.

And since zerObama is NOT accepting federal matching funds, they have had no cause to check his bona fides.

Think about that.

A DEMOCRAT is refusing to feed from the taxpayer's trough???

There must be one Hell of a good reason for that!

Another reason that has become quite obvious to me after looking through his FEC raw data is that something very devious is going on with under $200, many multiple donations from a single individual and odd $/cents (non foreign).

There is some money laundering going on, automated??? won't know without an audit, won't get an audit.

So crown the One the King.

[EBH]

I have a dumb question that I am sure was explained somewhere else on one of these threads.

If this is true:
The American government, Embassies, and Consulates do not help such American citizen-hostages to return home. Once an American woman marries a foreign national, she and her children are no longer entitled to any American citizenship rights. http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/06/20/american-woman-arab-man-tales-of-horror-in-the-harem/

And this:
The marriage of an American woman with a foreigner has consequences of like kind, may involve national complications of like kind, as her physical expatriation may involve. Therefore, as long as the relation lasts, it is made tantamount to expatriation. This is no arbitrary exercise of government. It is one which, regarding the international aspects, judicial opinion has taken for granted would not only be valid, but demanded. It is the conception of the legislation under review that such an act may bring the government into embarrassments, and, it may be, into controversies. It is as voluntary and distinctive as expatriation and its consequence must be considered as elected.

Judgment affirmed.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=239&invol=299

Then Obama would be required to go through naturalization upon reaching 18 or 21 years of age?

[null and void]

jwparkerjr ~ The adage when I was a kid was “practice makes perfect.”

Myrddin ~ The choir director at church corrected the phrase. "Perfect practice makes perfect". Imperfect practice just makes you good at doing things imperfectly.

I thought that it was PPPPPPP - Piss Poor Prior Planning Prevents Perfect Performance...

[null and void]

My understanding is that IF he was born in Hawaii, and he did not voluntarily give up US citizenship (and as a minor he can't) he would need to actively assert his Indonesian citizenship at 18 for it to be effective under US law.

Or he would need to actively renounce his US citizenship at 18 to lose it.

If he did nothing upon turning 18, and he was a US citizen at birth, he is a US citizen now.

(More complications: If mommy wasn't married to Barrak, he's a citizen, no matter where he was born, but probably isn't constitutionally qualified if he was born off shore)...

(Even more complications, just one more, I promise, Stanley Ann would not be in a valid marriage if they got married in Maui, as Barrak was already married, but if they got married in Kenya, it would be a valid marrage)...

[jwparkerjr]

When I was a PA working in the ER we would sometimes see a note on the chart of “pppppt”, piss poor protoplasm, poorly put together. Not very sensitive, but sometimes it really describes what the writer has seen.

[null and void]

ER?

Hell, I’ve had roommates like that!

[EBH]

That seems in contradiction as to what happens with women who marry a foreign national and return to his country that does not allow for dual citizenship.

If what you are saying is true, why can't the kids be returned to Mom if she leaves the foreign country or better yet why do the consulates refuse to help, even if the kids were born in America? The only reason I can see is her marriage renounces her citizenship rights for herself and it says ....for her children too.

So what you are saying doesn't make sense to me. He magically regains his citizenship at 18? Or is there some regulation that covers this? According the the case law I sighted it is just as surely expat as if she had declared it.

I posted the case law and yeah for a woman's kids the results of her actions may very well suck! Laws weren't the same then as they are now.

So even if her marriage to Barack Sr. was invalid in the US, it was valid in Kenya. She married a foreign national giving up her citizenship rights. In the case of Kenyan law Barack Jr. had to assert his desire to be Kenyan upon reaching adulthood. As far as we know he did not. This would make him ‘stateless.’

Regarding his adoption in Indonesia and then his return to the US as a child is too murky. As I posted elsewhere in Indonesia she even loses custody of the child under Indonesian law! Even if she divorced him. So, hmmm...islamic law gives custody over to the male when the child is between 7-9 years old. So did she escape an abusive situation with her son and bring him back to America and then left him here and returned several years later to Indonesia? Why would she not take Barack back with her? Could very well be she did not have legal custody and new her child would be safe with her parents in the United States.

Problem remains is he still a citizen of Indonesia? Albeit through no fault of his own, but what US law restores his citizenship that his mother foolishly renounced for love? He can't have both.

His is the same situation as that of American born children stranded by our state department in S.A. And they clearly contend even in 2008:
Once an American woman marries a foreign national, she and her children are no longer entitled to any American citizenship rights. http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/06/20/american-woman-arab-man-tales-of-horror-in-the-harem/

[EBH]

PS> new should have been knew.

PSS> if Ann no longer had legal custody of her son was she legally able to bring him back to America? As far as we know the adoption in Indonesia still stands and custody would have been his step-father’s.

[EBH]

A real life story from a muslim country of an American woman(about the same time as Ann and a woman most likely of similiar tempermant as Ann).

http://76.12.0.56/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=178&Itemid=1

[khnyny]

Someone has gone through considerable effort to insure that all the chess pieces are where they want them.

It is rather beyond absurd.

It's comforting to know that our government of checks and balances is working like clockwork./s

Seriously, who knows what's going on.

[Myrddin]

I thought that it was PPPPPPP - Piss Poor Prior Planning Prevents Perfect Performance...

That works too. I was trying to find the famous quote from Admiral Byrd on the consequences of poor planning. It was one of my dad's favorites.

[null and void]

I believe he said something to the effect that he let planning take the place of worry, advance planning would take the place of worry.

[null and void]

I’m no expert, I do my best to answer questions with what I have learned (mostly on this forum!)

Time to call in the big guns...

[null and void]

America didn’t always roll over and play dead every time some little piss pot dictator abused one of its citizens.

That’s changed in my lifetime.

*sigh*

[cynwoody]

But there is no question that parents can change a child's citizenship, and allow him to be adopted by a foreign individual. Once a child is adopted, the old citizenship is terminated and the adoptee becomes a citizen of his or her new country. Thus, in a practical sense, a mother or father can "choose" their child's citizenship if they permit an adoption by a non-U.S. citizen.

Not true. If he was born in the US, he's eligible unless he renounced his citizenship after attaining age 18. His parents could not renounce it for him.

[cynwoody]

Clash of laws between Indonesia and the United States.

Indonesian law is as relevant as Neptunian law.

[MomwithHope]

At the very least he is a liar about his name and possible country of birth.
Hillary has been sitting back, we all know this means they are up to something. She is probably disappointed this birth certificate story has not gotten mroe traction. She may have waited too long to leak it. Either way let the popcorn flow.