Posted on 08/13/2008 3:09:59 PM PDT by LibWhacker
I would guess almost none.
Two LEO knocking on a door executing a search warrant used to be a simple event. They knock, tell the suspect they have a warrant and open the door. If trouble arises, then you call in SWAT
The problem is they want to preserve the drug evidence from being flushed. So they do a dynamic no knock entry, shoot the dogs, tazer grandma, handcuff your wife and children, toss your house, treat your family like criminals.
Oops, wrong address, bad informant, so sorry.
Better yet they find a small baggie of pot you and your wife smoke on weekends cause your idiot neighbor thinks your are dealing dope because you smoked a joint on the back porch over the weekend
I guess not. Oh well.
I guess it just frightens me that the police have the full right to bust in my house and start blazing. An “Oops, we’re sorry” just doesn’t cut it, you know? Especially when they say it’s for a box of pot.
Disclaimer: I am not advocating drug use here. I am just thinking we have to find a better way to protect the citizens we are supposed to be protecting in the first place.
“The militarization of local law enforcement organizations is a big problem. We have more than enough Jack Booted Thugs at the federal level and we sure as hell neither need nor want them at the local level. It’s getting to the point that it’s hard to distinguish the locals from the Feds. Also, the locals seem to enjoy assuming the JBT role.”
Don’t worry.
After Obama nationalizes all the paramilitary police into a single force, you won’t have to bother trying to distinguish amongst them any more.
- John
One vital reform is to put an end to the spoils system. The only reason podunk towns get these fancy units is that they get to execute property seizures WITHOUT DUE PROCESS, then keep the proceeds to spend on military toys. If all seizures were the result of due process and all fines went to charity, there would be no budget for excess.
They should be more honest and use the term "subjects of the Crown."
re. your #64
If he does that, that is when it starts.
I feel like Steve Martin. Let's get small.
This is how liberals handle their “wars”.
The war on drugs changed from going after hardcore dealers to going after softer target.....citizens.
The war on crime changed from going after organized crime to disarming citizens.
The war on auto deaths changed from arresting drunk drivers to speeding cameras that generate revenue like a slot machine.
The war on lung cancer changed from warning labels to increased taxes and forcing smokers to stand 40 feet away from an outside door in the winter.
Every one of these “wars” were started by liberals and morphed into attacks on citizens.
There was once a 22nd Amendment to the Constitution which decriminalized alcohol. While I am not advocating re-legalizing alcohol or any other DRUG, the 22nd Amendment did cut down on gangland crime. Too bad that we are so progressive now that we realize that history really does not repeat itself!
There’s got to be some kind of free-market solution to all of this violence. Too bad that I am not clever enough to devise such a solution.
Yeah, me either. I really go back and forth on this issue. But just wishing it would go away isn’t going to work either.
Henry,
I don't know what they would have done had I not been at home. Or if my Wife had not opened the door. Let's face it, it's highly questionable if not criminal for them to have even besieged my home in the middle of the night because I legally purchased handgun ammunition. Who knows what they are capable of, given that rationale... In Practice, Police "ACT" then worry about legalities latter because of "Tunnel Vision". Usually they try to "settle" cases rather than set a legal precedent or admit guilt. I don't want money (my contact to NRA Attorney), I want then to STOP this practice and be held accountable for their actions.
If you want to "bust" people for legally buying handgun ammo when the State Police don't have a record of you owning any such caliber weapon, then make it illegal to do so (good luck). Don't send a Swat Team to a Law Abiding Citizen's Home at Midnight when they have not broken any laws! By all means share this info with "Shall Issue Inc." and you can use my name. I've already been told by Chris Contee (NRA Legal Counsel), that if they come back with or without a warrant, have them call him direct.
Thanks and lock your door.
Don Curtis
Hello Henry.
I just wanted your organization to know what Our State Police are up too. The incident below happened to me, a legal gun owner in La Plata, Maryland two nights ago (August 4, 2008 at 12:30 PM). Next time, they won't get in without a warrant. You live and you learn. Below, is the e-mail I sent to Mr. Chris Contee NRA, Chief Counsel at his request. I know I'm not an isolated incident so I hope your members keep their doors locked.
Dear Chris,
It was great to speak with you today by phone. Sorry but also glad you are so busy with our legislative matters. What would we do without you and the NRA?
As I told you by phone, my Wife and I were unfairly besieged late last night by the Maryland State Police. I have also relayed this occurrence to "Citizens Group for the right to keep and bear arms". I believe they are in Seattle Washington. Enclosed is my summation for your review. Good luck on your trip and safe travel.
Last night at 12:30 pm a MD State Police "Armed Response Team" showed up at our door. I was dead asleep, my Wife was laying some ceramic tile on our basement floor when our driveway alert went off several times. She looked at the camera monitor and screamed that Police in Assault gear were running up to our front door. That made me sit straight up from a dead sleep.
We thought they were there for my Brother in Law who had just been mailed Bench Warrants to our home, but he doesn't live here and he is already incarcerated, so my Wife opened the door for them. Then I heard one of them say he had some papers for me or needed to speak with me,so I got up to speak with them 6 or 7 officers in full assault vests, etc. and NO ONE in uniform. Four heavily armed police came into the house while at least two others walked around outside of our home.
One, began to talk to me asking me about the types of weapons I own. Remember now, I was just startled from a dead sleep and I kept asking why are you here, why do you want to know about my guns? Every gun I bought in Maryland I bought from a MD Dealer. Well this Trooper said that I had purchased a "large amount" of ammunition recently and wanted to know why. When I questioned why he was asking, then he changed his tune to what type of Handguns I had. I told him I just purchased my first handgun in Maryland last week, but had not even picked it up from the Store . He questioned me about other handguns I might own and I realized that he was "fishing" to match his list of my ammunition purchases with handguns that I owned. Then I told him about my C&R license that I had purchased 2 with that but was not required to register them with ST. Police. Moreover, I told him it was the MD. ST. Police who approved me as a "designated collector" so why are they here in storm trooper fashion at 12:30 pm maybe to kill me because I legally bought some handgun ammo? He told me that most of the ammo I purchased was for weapons that they had no record of me having registered so the "SYSTEM" Flagged me. Flagged me for what? Death, Harassment at midnight by 7 Storm Troopers?
I asked, "... does your system know that it is stupid to buy ammo with your own ID if your are going to do something illegal, Does your system know that I have a C&R and can buy weapons of various calibers without your knowledge, Does your system know that you yourselves registered me as a designated collector, who "collects" so it is not unusual for me to buy any type or manner of ammunition and finally, Does your system know that it is NOT illegal to purchase handgun ammunition in the State of Maryland whether or not you own that caliber handgun?"
The Trooper (plain clothes), had a list of ammo calibers that he referred to and I agreed, there's no secret that I bought the ammo, but so what? And I'm still not sure of the States definition of a "large amount". Look, I'm not outfitting a Militia, hate group, or giving it to someone who can't buy it, or even buy ammo for a stolen weapon I don't want to register. Any weapon I have every owned has either been purchased at a Gun Store or I personally knew the individual I bought it from and its origin. And, last time I looked it is not illegal to buy handgun ammo, even if you don't own the caliber weapon OR you don't own a weapon at all !! So unless the law is changed, Police cannot harass people who do so.
That being said, the young Trooper told me I "should" voluntarily register all my weapons or this would happen again... because the "system" flagged me. And another thing, he kept asking where I kept my weapons, in a safe? I never answered him and he asked me three separate times as to the locations of any weapons I might have. I got the distinct impression he wanted me to voluntarily let him see/inspect the handguns for the calibers I bought ammo for, but I was ready for that. No warrant, no see. I mean, I would hope you could trust the Police, but why should I let six or seven or so strangers know where I keep guns? If indeed I had the calibers he was inquiring about?
The point here though, is that Police came to my home without a warrant, dressed to kill, trying to intimidate me about something that is NOT illegal !! This was not an Interview it was an interrogation under duress.
Funny the last thing he said to me before leaving was "... Mr. Curtis, sorry to have HARASSED you, you have a good night." Now that struck me as an odd thing for a Police Officer to say, especially if he was justified in doing his job. The last thing I'll say was that Trooper was courteous and having worn the badge, he and the team were sent by someone else, they're just following orders. However, whoever sent them to my home at 12:30 at night left a very bad taste in my mouth and NO ONE IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES TO ME NOR DO I KNOW THEIR NAMES. But rest assured they WERE the Maryland State Police. Word has it that there is a Special "Firearms" squad within the State Police and they have been asking gun dealers to keep a log of people who purchase handgun and other regulated weapon ammunition by making them show ID and signing their name when purchasing ammunition (not required under Maryland Law). Their MVA / DMV information is put in the log by the FFL Dealer right beside the ammunition you buy. Then once a week they (Police) come back to the stores pick up the logs of ammunition purchases and as in my case, they are comparing handgun ammunition purchases against known handgun registration files. This practice was first started by the Howard County or Baltimore City Police (I believe), and the MD State Police adopted this tactic as well. Perhaps it works, some criminals are stupid enough to purchase ammunition with their own ID. I am not a criminal nor am I stupid, but I was duped into signing those ammunition logs, without the FFL Dealer advising me that it is NOT mandatory or disclosing the log's true purpose.In fact I was told that if 'you' refuse to sign this ammunition log, the Dealer will refuse the sale. I will NEVER buy ammunition from that Dealer again.
If he does, he'll get CWII in return.
Just a group of armed guys in street clothes charging the house and she starts screaming. What was she thinking?
no really. I want to know.
You’re right about the property seizures. That should be the first thing we drive a stake through.
Would go a long way toward demilitarizing the local police in my opinion
You are very correct in everything you said. More laws equal less rights for the law abiding citizens.
Legalize drug use. You can use them recreationally all you want.
If you are caught posessing drugs and test positive while at work or in a motor vehicle, you go to a special prison on an island for 5 years.
On this island there are no cells. You get a decent room and 3 hots. In return, you work for a company making something.
Drugs are non-existent on this island. People are tested weekly or daily, whatever makes sense.
After 5 years you are released back to society.
Companies bid to host this manufacturing site where labor is free, but other costs must be borne by the company and made-up by selling the products manufactured.
Any criminal act on this island and you get sent to a real prison for the remainder of your sentence.
This is just a starting point for discussion.
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