Posted on 08/11/2008 7:17:09 PM PDT by M.K. Borders
As long as all is well, all is well. Heck I am on eastern time till Friday. I need to long out and turn in.
Later
Sleep well.
Stay safe.
I’ll call it a fraud. First, it takes quite a bit of energy to break the bonds that hold the hydrogen and oxygen molecules together. That energy comes from the alternator that is driven by the engine. When the hydrogen burns in the engine, it will put out less energy than it took to split the molecule apart. That is one of the Laws of thermodynamics. You can’t get out more energy than you put in.
“it is simply a boost much like the Nitro systems folks install for more RPM.”
Uhhh...
First, nitro has a ton more stored energy than water.
Second, water injection has been around since the 1930’s as a way to boost octane. This piece of journalism makes it seem like a replacement for gasoline. It cools the valves, delays combustion to avoid ping, and raises compression. I believe that Nazi airplanes and 1930’s F1 cars used water/alcohol injection in such a way.
Fraud? Naw, no way. Would anybody be that dishonest?
Psssst - I gotta prototype carburetor that gets 150 miles per gallon I would sell you for only 10 million. Cash, of course. You can replicate it and make hundreds of millions.
LOL
I remember one of the strangest people I ever met who claimed he had worked for years on "spintronics", or spin transport electronics, and he claimed that he had the solution for endless free energy and he was in fear for his life.
Myself, I am hoping for a small, efficient turbo diesel.
Nitrous oxide injection systems increase the oxygen content from 21% to 33%, as well as cooling it to make it more dense. As a result, more gasoline can be added while maintaining the stoichiometric ratio. That generates more power -- at the expense of higher gas consumption (not to mention the power expended elsewhere to compress the nitrous oxide).
The alleged effect of HHO violates the law of thermodynamics because even if you could recover the same amount of energy required to electrolyze water into hydrogen and oxygen when burning it and combining it again, the energy lost to heat while burning the gasoline, generating the electricity, electrolyzing the water, and burning the hydrogen/oxygen again make the entire process futile.
>>Doubling your tire pressure will double your mileage.
Why not just keep inflating the tires, ad infinitum??
Although absurd, it is the exact principle the Dems apply to government in general.
Ruger P97DC 45 ACP under pillow,
Good Night
“If you fill your tires full enough. Gravity will take over and your vehicle will roll down hill requiring no fuel at all.”
I am Barck Obama and my base is full of idiots.
I’ll call it a fraud. First, it takes quite a bit of energy to break the bonds that hold the hydrogen and oxygen molecules together. That energy comes from the alternator that is driven by the engine. When the hydrogen burns in the engine, it will put out less energy than it took to split the molecule apart. That is one of the Laws of thermodynamics. You can’t get out more energy than you put in.
I don’t think anyone is making this claim. What the advocates are saying is that by adding a very small amount of Hydrogen that the efficiency of the fuel is enhanced. The way it works is like extending the spark plug. A large flash from the Hydrogen makes the fuel ignite faster and promotes a complete burn, the added power from the burning of Hydrogen is negligible but the added efficiency of the fuel adds up to about 15% greater mileage far most vehicles. Some much higher.
>and I am retarded.
Welcome to the club!
There might be a small benefit from this system.
The burning of gasoline in a car engine is very inefficient.
Adding a small portion of hydrogen and oxygen to the gas air mix might improve the efficiency enough to pay for the energy to break down the water. And the oxygen may be more important than the hydrogen.
I remain highly skeptical, but I'm not sure this should be dismissed out of hand.
I nned a support club.
I conot spell. even after spell checks.
“What the advocates are saying is that by adding a very small amount of Hydrogen that the efficiency of the fuel is enhanced. The way it works is like extending the spark plug. A large flash from the Hydrogen makes the fuel ignite faster and promotes a complete burn, the added power from the burning of Hydrogen is negligible but the added efficiency of the fuel adds up to about 15% greater mileage far most vehicles. Some much higher.”
Nice try.
What you envision is akin to the fizzy bubbles in Coca-Cola.
As you know, there’s not much fizz when the stuff is turned into a fine mist, moved from a high-pressure area to a low-pressure area, and exposed to high temps. All of those apply in this case.
When the air/fuel mixture is inhaled, it’s about as mixed as you can imagine — basically a thick fog. Fuel moves from a high pressure hose to a vacuum when it gets squirted by the injectors. And, it goes from room temp (give or take) to engine temps (give or take) before it get ignited. So, praytell, how would any liquid hold fizzy bubbles under that scenario?
We might believe that such gas might be released if it started out as liquid and vaporized (basically what gasoline does), but you’re saying that this device puts bubbles in the beer (so to speak). This was the theory behind the “sterno” in Michael Waltrip’s car at Daytona a couple of years ago.
Finally, if this worked so well, why haven’t I ever seen it in motor sports? I have press credentials for the IRL and NASCAR this year, and I hear all sorts of stories about how to cheat. I also did a weekend at a vintage car event, and of all of the goofy things that racers have tried, this isn’t on the list.
When I see the test results in Car and Driver or Road and Track, I’ll apologize.
“Martin also attached a fuse to the unit he installed in his F150 truck so that if the electricity produced gets too great, the fuse trips before it blows out his turn signals, for instance; that happened the fIrst time around.”
Who writes this crap?
The reason everyone isn’t using this is because of a conspiracy between the auto makers and the oil companies, just like they got rid of the streetcars. Now the secret is out, and with the cost of gas as high as it is, this device will be installed on all automobiles. /s/
I know mine down to the tenth. 44.96MPG last fill up
“two stainless steel plates or bolts are anchored.”
Uh, as I recall from my Project Hindenburg days...
You pass current using electrodes, you’re likely to do some funky things to those electrodes. Copper wire, for instance, soon leaves the one side and moves to the other (the basis for copper plating I figured out).
I’m not saying that this would happen to stainless steel, but I have my hunch that one of those plates would disintegrate quickly.
In addition, the baking soda (at least in my experience) doesn’t say mixed with water very well. I’m doubting that one can mix up, say, 5 gallons of the stuff by simply dumping it in and stirring it up.
I’d also love to see how many amps that thing is drawing. My model train transformer would produce about one large babyfood jar of H2-OS gas every hour or so, so I’m curious to see how many amps he’s using to produce enough to produce the effects of the NOX (as is claimed here). As I recall, an alternator will pull about 15 hp for 40 amps, so I’d want to see the dyno results when that thing kicks in. At higher amperage, I’d expect the inventor to use carbon electrodes instead of stainless steel (see above).
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