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US judge gags subway card hackers
AFP ^ | Aug 9, 2008 | Glenn Chapman

Posted on 08/11/2008 1:30:03 PM PDT by decimon

LAS VEGAS, Nevada (AFP) - A US judge on Saturday gagged hackers from telling peers at a notorious DefCon conference how to get free rides by cracking commonly used subway "smart cards."

The decision was immediately condemned by Internet rights attorneys that decried it as an attack on free speech that endangers the existence of computer security gatherings such as DefCon and Black Hat.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crime; cybercrime; firstamendment; hackers; lasvegas

1 posted on 08/11/2008 1:30:03 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Thus insuring that everyone there would know the secret before lunchtime...


2 posted on 08/11/2008 1:32:45 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Vigilantism will arise where the justice system is viewed as overly lenient and/or ineffective.)
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To: decimon
The decision was immediately condemned by Internet rights attorneys that decried it as an attack on free speech

It is engaging in a conspiracy to defraud a government program (transit). It is a criminal act and is not protected "Free speech".

Neither are death threats, libel, slander, fraud, perjury, defamation of character, inciting a riot, treason...

3 posted on 08/11/2008 1:34:42 PM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: decimon
A US judge on Saturday gagged hackers from telling peers ...

ROFLMAO, oh, that'll work.

4 posted on 08/11/2008 1:38:50 PM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: decimon

LAS VEGAS, Nevada (AFP) - A US judge on Saturday gagged hackers from telling peers at a notorious DefCon conference how to get free rides by cracking commonly used subway “smart cards.”

Gag orders are even more useless the PFA’s
What are they going to do? Wire everyone to insure the judges order is followed? What silly nonsense. if the people are criminals they should be arrest and put in jail. If not then why is a judge issuing an order at all?


5 posted on 08/11/2008 1:39:21 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Got Freedom ? Thank a Veteran...... Want to keep Freedom? Don't vote Obama)
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To: decimon
OK, we won't tell anyone. We'll just keep it right here on this computer with an unpatched copy of Windows and a WiFi card with no password... at a Hacker's convention.
6 posted on 08/11/2008 1:41:45 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Whale oil: the renewable biofuel for the 21st century.)
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To: weegee

actually the movie industry tried to arugue that connecting two VCR’s together was theft.

Knowledge of how to is not the theft.

This judge KNOWS this is bandade at best.

However the other people are correct here, now that the word is out that this can be done, those not subject to this will spread it across the world.


7 posted on 08/11/2008 1:56:06 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: weegee
It is engaging in a conspiracy to defraud a government program (transit). It is a criminal act and is not protected "Free speech".

There are college courses and programs in computer security where criminal techniques are taught. For that matter, Criminal Justice has been a hot degree for some time now. Not that graduates are necessarily getting jobs in their field but the degree has been hot.

8 posted on 08/11/2008 1:57:07 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Defcon_Presentation.pdf

Good stuff!

9 posted on 08/11/2008 2:06:24 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Public policy should never become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. -- Ike Eisenhower)
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To: decimon
LAS VEGAS, Nevada (AFP) - A US judge on Saturday gagged hackers from telling peers at a notorious DefCon conference how to get free rides by cracking commonly used subway "smart cards."

Which was most likely immidiately violated by the hackers and their targets using encrypted emails and thumb drives with instructions.

Decryption experts predict prosectuions in 200 years when the files are rendered into clear text.

10 posted on 08/11/2008 2:10:37 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (A citizen using a weapon to shoot a criminal is the ultimate act of independence from government.)
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To: decimon

Serves the cheapskates in Boston right for using flaky Mag Stripe and RFID technology instead of microprocessor cards.


11 posted on 08/11/2008 2:17:37 PM PDT by Wil H
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To: decimon

Horses gone.

Fine time to shut the barn door. It will keep the hay from running away.


12 posted on 08/11/2008 2:21:21 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

We really need to outlaw thought crime.

Obviously this judge is inteligent but not very smart.


13 posted on 08/11/2008 2:28:50 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: decimon
Low tech subway hacker.


14 posted on 08/11/2008 2:31:24 PM PDT by OCC
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To: decimon

Now imagine if you can print thousands of those cards for the “honest stuggling peoples”.

I wonder if this is going to be used to justify more money to cover losses for these white elephant trains.


15 posted on 08/11/2008 2:38:39 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: decimon

In Texas they are now requiring a private investigator LICENSE to work in computer repair and security...

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2324220,00.asp

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/html/HB02833F.htm


16 posted on 08/12/2008 9:15:41 AM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: weegee
In Texas they are now requiring a private investigator LICENSE to work in computer repair and security...

That's one way to weed out the honest people.

17 posted on 08/12/2008 9:48:09 AM PDT by decimon
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To: longtermmemmory

“Beware of he who seeks to restrict your access to free flow of information ... for in his mind, he already deems himself your master.” —Sid Meyer


18 posted on 08/12/2008 10:04:54 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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