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"South Ossetia, payback for Kosovo"
B92 ^ | 8/10/08 | Beta

Posted on 08/11/2008 10:29:32 AM PDT by Bokababe

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To: Bokababe

“What Walensa saw was Bush bypassing the UN Security Council to recognize Kosovo in contradiction to international law, opened the door for Russia to do the same.”

I don’t think invading a country is the same as recognizing one.


61 posted on 08/11/2008 2:12:25 PM PDT by Rennes Templar (est deus in nobis)
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To: montyspython
"The hypocrites here ... will continue to pull the Russian commie card, its an easier substitute for critical thinking."

And that is what Bush is banking on.

For the last 16 years we have done everything possible to corner Russia:

1. Making NATO members of its neighbors.

2. Making an agreement with Poland & the Czech Republic for a missile system capable of attacking Russia (the equivalent of what the Soviets did to us that created the Cuban Missile Crisis.)

3. Ignored the Russians on the Kosovo issue and put an American military base on Serbian soil, then stole the land and got others to recognize "the property transfer".

4. Broke international law all the way back to the 18th Century Treaty if Westphalia -- and even tossed aside the UN 1244 that we got the Serbs to agree to saying that "Kosovo stays sovereign Serbian territory", showing that "the rules don't apply to us because we are America".

5. And finally, in order to lessen Russian power in Europe with its oil supply, we set up an alternative oil pipeline running through Georgia to Turkey that bypasses Russia. That Georgian pipeline just opened a few weeks ago with little notice by the Western Press.

Now, if we are actually trying to start a war with Russia (that could turn into a World War) and we know what we are doing, OK. But this pretending "its all Russian aggression" is really annoying. We are expecting to put up with behavior from us that we would never put up with from them -- and in fact, DIDN'T put up with in 1962!

62 posted on 08/11/2008 2:24:58 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Rennes Templar
"I don’t think invading a country is the same as recognizing one."

That's the point -- we didn't just "recognize Kosovo", we put up Camp Bondsteel there six years before we ever even recognized Kosovo independence.

Putting a military base on someone else's property without their permission, filled with thousands of hostile troops, IS the very definition of "an invasion".

63 posted on 08/11/2008 2:30:06 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Rennes Templar

Go and inform yourself first:


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Do you believe that 19 countries bombed Serbia in 1999 because of the plight of the Kosovo Albanians? The Trepca mining complex was a highly coveted Balkan asset. Read about how Kosovo’s spoils were distributed:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/trep-j28.shtml

From their military base in Kosovo, Camp Bondsteel, America plans to control Caspian oil. Camp Bondsteel, the biggest “from scratch” foreign US military base since the Vietnam War in the Yugoslav province of Kosovo. It is located close to vital oil pipelines and energy corridors presently under construction, such as the US sponsored Trans-Balkan oil pipeline. As a result defence contractors—in particular Halliburton Oil subsidiary Brown & Root Services—are making a fortune.:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/apr2002/oil-a29.shtml

The current US Vice President (Dick Cheney) used to be the CEO (and now a large shareholder) of Halliburton Technologies. More interestingly, Halliburton (US company) holds the contracts for both Camp Bondsteel and the US-Caspian pipeline:
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/about_hal/ethics.html

Halliburton is profiting handsomely in Iraq as well:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/politics/main575356.shtml

Camp Bondsteel was not the outgrowth of a humanitarian or “Just War” on behalf of Kosovar Albanians. The construction of Camp Bondsteel had been envisaged well in advance of the bombings and invasion of Kosovo in 1999. The plans to build Camp Bondsteel under a lucrative multibillion dollar DoD contract with Halliburton’s Texas based subsidiary KBR were formulated while Dick Cheney was Halliburton’s CEO.

The US and NATO had advanced plans to bomb Yugoslavia before 1999, and many European political leaders now believe that the US deliberately used the bombing of Yugoslavia to establish camp Bondsteel in Kosovo.. According to Colonel Robert L. McCure, “Engineering planning for operations in Kosovo began months before the first bomb was dropped.” (See Lenora Foerstel, Global Research, January 2008)

One of the objectives underlying Camp Bondsteel was to protect the Albanian-Macedonian-Bulgarian Oil pipeline project (AMBO), which was to channel Caspian sea oil from the Bulgarian Black Sea port of Burgas to the Adriatic.

Nine years and two wars later, the Kosovo issue has re-emerged. It is an integral part of the broader military roadmap. It is intimately related to the post 9/11 US led wars in Central Asia and the Middle East.

The Balkans constitute the gateway to Eurasia. The 1999 invasion establishes a permanent US military presence in Southern Europe, which serves the broader US led war. Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq: these three theater wars were waged on humanitarian grounds. Without exception, in all three countries, US military bases were established.

http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/the-criminalization-of-the-state-independent-kosovo-a-territory-under-us-nato-military-rule-by-michel-chossudovsky/

The main purpose for the Bondsteel military base is to provide security for the construction of the Albanian-Macedonian-Bulgarian oil pipeline (AMBO). The AMBO trans-Balkan pipeline will link up with the corridors between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea basin, which holds close to 50 billion barrels of oil.

No concessions by President Slobodan Milosevic would have prevented the bombing. Building Camp Bondsteel was the US mission, and, by whatever means necessary, it would be built to ensure the completion of a pipeline to the Caspian Sea.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7941

Why is NATO at go to war with Yugoslavia? World power, oil and gold:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/may1999/stat-m24.shtml

AMBO is short for Albanian Macedonian Bulgarian Oil Corp, an entity registered in the US. The $1.1 billion AMBO pipeline (also known as the Trans-Balkan), supposed to be finished by 2011, will get oil brought from the Caspian Sea to a terminal in Georgia and then by tanker through the Black Sea to the Bulgarian port of Burgas, and relay it through Macedonia to the Albanian port of Vlora.

Clinton’s NATO war against Yugoslavia and pro-Albania was thus crucial to secure Vlora’s strategic location. The oil will then be shipped to Rotterdam in the Netherlands and refineries on the US West Coast, thus bypassing the ultra-congested Bosphorus Strait and the Aegean and the Mediterranean seas.

The original AMBO feasibility study, as early as 1995, and then updated in 1999, is by a British subsidiary of Halliburton, Brown and Root Energy Services. AMBO fits into Vice President Dick Cheney’s (and before him, Clinton’s energy secretary Bill Richardson’s) US energy security grid. It’s all about go-for-broke militarization of the crucial energy corridor from the Caspian through the Balkans, and about trying to isolate or sabotage both Russia and Iran.
http://www.nwo101.com/2008/02/long-road-from-kosovo-to-kurdistan.html

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64 posted on 08/11/2008 2:45:14 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: Bokababe
Some more about the oil:

Crude Oil Climbs in New York on Supply Threat in Caspian Sea

Aug. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Oil prices climbed from a 14-week low in New York on concern the Russia-Georgia conflict may disrupt crude supplies from the Caspian Sea.

Crude rebounded after five days of clashes in Georgia threatened alternative export routes from Azerbaijan needed because of a pipeline fire. The fire on the Turkish stretch of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline was extinguished today following an explosion last week. Prices also gained as some traders deemed last week's 7.9 percent drop as excessive.

``The events in Georgia over the weekend place more concerns in traders' minds over the continuity of supply of crude oil,'' said Rob Laughlin, senior broker at MF Global Ltd in London. ``The Baku-Ceyhan outages are placing additional strains on a creaking supply chain.'

65 posted on 08/11/2008 2:52:04 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: BabaYaga

Oh geez. Waiting for your links on “WTC-Inside Job”.


66 posted on 08/11/2008 3:18:52 PM PDT by Rennes Templar (est deus in nobis)
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To: HAL9000
>>>>>I look forward to Georgia and Kosovo joining NATO.<<<<

get ready for a long wait. Chances are NATO will dissolve before that.

67 posted on 08/11/2008 3:30:35 PM PDT by DTA
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To: Rennes Templar
Look, I`m not too much for some conspiracy theories explanations (although first part of Zeitgeist does have historical correct data about religious and mithological evolution on the Middle East 2-3 000 years ago and for the two other parts I`m not the expert nor I would easily play with other peoples emotions), because I think it much simplifies things, blur the thinking and make you look at things from shaky point of view...anyway, you should know that NATO did occupied Kosovo for several reasons and about the main ones you will not find something in the news...just that, and will you try to look for it, is your choice only...
68 posted on 08/11/2008 6:06:12 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: All

This is all about whose pipeline will transport the oil.

The more oil the russians transport the less influence the US has.


69 posted on 08/11/2008 6:25:22 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2060020/posts

‘...Warnings that the recognition of Kosovo will serve to the detriment of Georgia were heard in Poland as early as February this year.

‘Bearing in mind the risks for Poland’s allies in the Caucasus, Georgia above all, Warsaw’s recognition of the Kosovo Albanians’ secession was described as an irresponsible move by the legendary anti-communist leader and former Polish president, Lech Walesa.

‘”Recognizing Kosovo will bring nothing but trouble. No one can be denied the right to self-determination, but only within the bounds of common sense,” he was quoted as saying at the time.

‘Walesa stressed in his statements to the Polish media that Kosovo was “with its irresponsible behavior, causing new divisions in Europe and globally and undermining international relations”.


70 posted on 08/11/2008 7:38:20 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; george76; ...

Thanks Fred Nerks.


71 posted on 08/11/2008 10:12:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: longtermmemmory

I remember reading in 1999 that the oil companies themselves preferred the Russian pipeline plan. Something is very wrong with the picture.


72 posted on 08/12/2008 6:53:11 AM PDT by damondonion
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