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FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL?
NEALZ NUZE ^ | Monday , August 13, 2007 | NEAL BOORTZ

Posted on 08/11/2008 8:41:29 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20

For many young'uns around the country this is a momentous day. Sadly, for many of them, it is also a tragic one. Today millions of parents who should know better are going to take the most precious things in their lives, their children, and turn them over to the government to be educated. These parents all know that our government education system in this country is beyond horrible --- but for some reason they operate under the impression that the very school that, by chance, their child is going to attend is the one and only exception. Their child's school is extraordinary!

It's those other schools that are so bad.

Yeah, right.

Today I'm going to take one entire chapter out of my book "Somebody's Gotta Say It" and reprint it here for you to read .. enjoy .. and hopefully heed.
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NICE PENCILS!

Now, fork them over . . .

(From "Somebody's Gotta Say It" © 2007 by Neal Boortz, Published by HC Books, and imprint of Harper Collins)

What? I'm picking on government schools again? Don't I have anything better to do with my time?

No, I don't. A day spent slamming the concept of government indoctrination is a day well spent.

I love this country, but I believe it's in deep trouble. I believe we're losing our sense of individuality and our love of liberty. Americans have little idea of the sacrifices that so many made to create this country where we live our lives of plenty.

Most adults have no idea of how essential our system of economic liberty is to the standard of life we enjoy today, and are unaware of how American free enterprise has already lifted much of the world out of poverty, want, and despair.

Furthermore, most Americans don't understand something as basic as the importance of private property rights in maintaining freedom and promoting prosperity.

And for this state of affairs I place the bulk of the blame on our system of government-owned and -operated schools.

I'll go one step further: Many of our government schools today, perhaps even the one to which you have surrendered your child; start in from day one trying to discredit the very concept of property rights. How do they do it? Let's start by defining some terms.

Some of our brethren on the left denounce the idea of property rights by saying human rights are always more important than property rights. It's a clever line, but it's really a kind of misdirection, like a magic trick. Why? Because property rights are human rights.

Think about it this way: Property has no rights. People have the right to property, and that right to property, the fruits of one's labor, is one of the highest human rights.

Chances are it's been quite a few years since you were in grade school. Believe me, much has changed since those days. Back when you were in school, for instance, it was probably okay to play tag during recess. Not so today. Why? Because tag involves (gasp!) touching! And besides, in tag someone is chased, and someone does the chasing. This teaches our precious little children predatory behavior. Now we can't have that, can we?

As if that weren't bad enough, the campaign to abolish private property starts with almost the first moment your child enters school.

Remember those weeks before school started for your brand-new first grader? There you were, you and your proud new student, walking the aisles of the local Wal-Mart, your list of school supplies in hand. Item by item you checked things off your list as you dropped them into the basket: pencils and erasers, notebooks and pencil holders, construction paper and paste. By the time you made it to the cash register, you had a full basket and a happy kid. As soon as you got home, your budding Einstein took the supplies to his room and spread everything out on the bed. This was his stuff, and it was important stuff, too—his very own tools and supplies, the things he'd use to learn and grow. And tomorrow he would be taking them to school. He couldn't have been more proud. On his last night before that magic first day of school, just before he went to bed, your young student would pack all his stuff in his backpack . . . then unpack it . . . then pack it again.

The next morning, it's show time! Off we go, full of apprehension and pride. Your young man is taking another grand step toward adulthood!

What could go wrong at school? Plenty. Remember, it's a government operation staffed by government agents.

As soon as the students are seated, the bell rings, and as fast as you can say the Pledge of Allegiance, the indoctrination begins: Your child is about to be introduced to the wonderful concept of "the common good."

Ready for class? Nope, not yet. There's a small matter that must be attended to first.

The government teacher steps in front of her virtual hostages and promptly delivers the first raw lesson in the power of government: She instructs her students to bring all of their precious new school supplies to the front of the classroom and put them into a huge box.

Wait just a minute here! Why am I putting my stuff into that box? My daddy took me to Wal-Mart and bought that stuff for me! It's mine! You can't take it away from me!

Oh, yeah?

As your child sits in stunned silence, the teacher tells him and his classmates that these supplies now belong to all of the class. What was once private property has been seized and transformed into community property, courtesy of the teacher's demands — demands that amount to a government mandate.

There is no due process. No rule of law. After all, in school the teacher is the law. Your child's supplies are now everybody's supplies, and the teacher has assumed the responsibility of distributing them as needed.

Know this: This whole "dump all of your school supplies into this box" is no mere innocent exercise, no simple whim of a few individual teachers. It's a conscious policy, and it has a purpose that goes beyond simple expediency for the teacher.

Your child, and every other child in that classroom, is being taught that their private property rights end when someone in authority says they end. In this instance, that person in authority is the teacher—a government employee. And even if your child isn't able to understand that it's actually the government who's seizing his property, he certainly does understand that his property is being seized, and converted into everybody's property. Worse yet, he is told, very clearly, that this is a good thing.

And who is there to tell him otherwise?

I've talked about this property confiscation on the air many times. Some parents call in to scold me, convinced that I'm lying, that this doesn't really happen. But for every one who does, plenty others call in to confirm what I'm saying—to report that it happened to their own child! I've even heard from young parents who believed I was making it up . . . right up to the point when their own child returned home from his first day of school.

The most surprising thing to me is that some callers—even some parents whose children have had their school supplies confiscated— actually don't see the problem with the policy. Wake up, folks! The very concept of private property is under attack here, and government is leading the charge.

It is a simple truth that property rights are the very basis of human freedom. We come into this world with nothing but our bodies and our minds. Those are the assets we bring with us to the marketplace. And no society based on economic and social freedom has ever survived the loss of private property rights.

Nobody would seriously argue against the notion that we, as individuals, are the sole owners of our minds and our bodies. We present our physical and mental labor to the free enterprise marketplace and trade it there for wealth, usually in the form of money. It can be said that we have received that money in exchange for the expenditure of a portion of our very lives.

When we convert that money to other forms of property, that property, too, represents a portion of our lives. That property is every bit as much ours as our very bodies and minds are. To demand that we forfeit that property to the government— even so trifling a piece of property as a schoolboy's notebook—is to demand a degree of involuntary servitude from us all.

I know this may sound a little preachy, but the importance of the basic human right to property, and its role in the preservation of a free society, cannot be overstated. When the government schools we pay for are working to destroy that concept, from the very first day of a child's very first grade, it's our duty to speak up.

Today we see property rights under attack from all quarters—as anyone who's ever confronted the idea of eminent domain knows too well. Government, after all, has an interest in weakening the concept of private property rights. The more Americans can be conditioned to accept the idea that the government has the right to confiscate our property for "the common good," the stronger government becomes and the weaker we as individuals become.

Come on, you say, my kid is only six years old! You don't expect him to realize what's happening and ask the teacher to respect his private property rights, now do you? What is he supposed to do, demand to be compensated for the seizure of his property?

Of course not.

Junior is a long way from understanding those concepts. But don't kid yourself: He certainly does understand, at least on a subconscious level, that his new teacher—someone he knows he is supposed to respect and look up to—thinks that the idea of seizing private property for general use is just fine. After all, the logic goes, there are other people out there who might need some of your stuff. And it's just not right for you to have something other people don't have or can't share in, is it? All you need to do to correct this perceived injustice, according to these teachers, is to let your superiors even things out a bit by taking some stuff from you and giving it to someone else.

Karl Marx had his own words for this concept. "From each according to his ability," he said, "to each according to his need." So what can be done to fix the problem? Well, I'll tell you what I did.

Actually, in my case, I didn't have to wait until my daughter, Laura, got into government school for this collectivist concept to rear its head. We learned this lesson in day care.

One afternoon I picked up Laura at her day care center. As she got into the car, I could see that her eyes were red; there were still traces of tears on her cheeks. What happened? I asked.

"The lady," she said, had taken her candy.

You see, it was the day after Halloween and Laura had taken a bag of goodies to day care, to dip into throughout the day. As soon as the day care supervisor saw her bag, however, she seized it. She told Laura that it just wasn't right for her to have anything that every other child didn't have. If she didn't bring enough to share with everyone, then she couldn't have it at all.

As soon as I heard that, I spun my incredibly hot Ford Pinto around and headed back to the day care center. Once there, I asked for a private meeting with the director. I asked her if she was familiar with the concept of private property. She said yes. Then I asked why it was the day care center's policy to indoctrinate children into the idea that it was not right for them to have property that other children didn't have.

Blank stare.

Then I asked her how she would feel if the bank took her next deposit and distributed it evenly among its other customers, telling her it wasn't nice for her to have money that other people didn't have. She got it.

The next time Laura brought some candy or cookies to day care, the supervisors left her alone.

For nearly all children in America, Day Number One at school— whether it's in an informal day care center or a public kindergarten— is also their first time in an independent social setting. It's their first chance to experience how the world is going to treat them. Until we do something to fix it, however, Lesson Number One your children learn that day may be that their rights exist only as long as the government allows.

And that's just the first week! Wait a little while, and you just might get that call from Teacher with vague, dark hints of a better world for your child if you'll just allow him to go on Ritalin.

From "Somebody's Gotta Say It"
Neal Boortz Remember those weeks before school started for your brand-new first grader? There you were, you and your proud new student, walking the aisles of the local Wal-Mart, your list of school supplies in hand. Item by item you checked things off your list as you dropped them into the basket: pencils and erasers, notebooks and pencil holders, construction paper and paste. By the time you made it to the cash register, you had a full basket and a happy kid.

As soon as you got home, your budding Einstein took the supplies to his room and spread everything out on the bed. This was his stuff, and it was important stuff, too—his very own tools and supplies, the things he'd use to learn and grow. And tomorrow he would be taking them to school. He couldn't have been more proud. On his last night before that magic first day of school, just before he went to bed, your young student would pack all his stuff in his backpack . . . then unpack it . . . then pack it again.

The next morning, it's show time! Off we go, full of apprehension and pride. Your young man is taking another grand step toward adulthood!

What could go wrong at school? Plenty. Remember, it's a government operation staffed by government agents.

As soon as the students are seated, the bell rings, and as fast as you can say the Pledge of Allegiance, the indoctrination begins: Your child is about to be introduced to the wonderful concept of "the common good."

Ready for class? Nope, not yet. There's a small matter that must be attended to first.

The government teacher steps in front of her virtual hostages and promptly delivers the first raw lesson in the power of government: She instructs her students to bring all of their precious new school supplies to the front of the classroom and put them into a huge box.

Wait just a minute here! Why am I putting my stuff into that box? My daddy took me to Wal-Mart and bought that stuff for me! It's mine! You can't take it away from me!

Oh, yeah?

As your child sits in stunned silence, the teacher tells him and his classmates that these supplies now belong to all of the class. What was once private property has been seized and transformed into community property, courtesy of the teacher's demands—demands that amount to a government mandate. There is no due process. No rule of law. After all, in school the teacher is the law. Your child's supplies are now everybody's supplies, and the teacher has assumed the responsibility of distributing them as needed.

Know this: This whole "dump all of your school supplies into this box" is no mere innocent exercise, no simple whim of a few individual teachers. It's a conscious policy, and it has a purpose that goes beyond simple expediency for the teacher.

Your child, and every other child in that classroom, is being taught that their private property rights end when someone in authority says they end. In this instance, that person in authority is the teacher—a government employee. And even if your child isn't able to understand that it's actually the government who's seizing his property, he certainly does understand that his property is being seized, and converted into everybody's property. Worse yet, he is told, very clearly, that this is a good thing.

And who is there to tell him otherwise?

I've talked about this property confiscation on the air many times. Some parents call in to scold me, convinced that I'm lying, that this doesn't really happen. But for every one who does, plenty others call in to confirm what I'm saying—to report that it happened to their own child! I've even heard from young parents who believed I was making it up . . . right up to the point when their own child returned home from his first day of school.

The most surprising thing to me is that some callers—even some parents whose children have had their school supplies confiscated— actually don't see the problem with the policy. Wake up, folks! The very concept of private property is under attack here, and government is leading the charge.

It is a simple truth that property rights are the very basis of human freedom. We come into this world with nothing but our bodies and our minds. Those are the assets we bring with us to the marketplace. And no society based on economic and social freedom has ever survived the loss of private property rights.

Nobody would seriously argue against the notion that we, as individuals, are the sole owners of our minds and our bodies. We present our physical and mental labor to the free enterprise marketplace and trade it there for wealth, usually in the form of money. It can be said that we have received that money in exchange for the expenditure of a portion of our very lives. When we convert that money to other forms of property, that property, too, represents a portion of our lives. That property is every bit as much ours as our very bodies and minds are. To demand that we forfeit that property to the government— even so trifling a piece of property as a schoolboy's notebook—is to demand a degree of involuntary servitude from us all.

I know this may sound a little preachy, but the importance of the basic human right to property, and its role in the preservation of a free society, cannot be overstated. When the government schools we pay for are working to destroy that concept, from the very first day of a child's very first grade, it's our duty to speak up.

Today we see property rights under attack from all quarters—as anyone who's ever confronted the idea of eminent domain knows too well. Government, after all, has an interest in weakening the concept of private property rights. The more Americans can be conditioned to accept the idea that the government has the right to confiscate our property for "the common good," the stronger government becomes and the weaker we as individuals become.

Come on, you say, my kid is only six years old! You don't expect him to realize what's happening and ask the teacher to respect his private property rights, now do you? What is he supposed to do, demand to be compensated for the seizure of his property?

Of course not.

Junior is a long way from understanding those concepts. But don't kid yourself: He certainly does understand, at least on a subconscious level, that his new teacher—someone he knows he is supposed to respect and look up to—thinks that the idea of seizing private property for general use is just fine. After all, the logic goes, there are other people out there who might need some of your stuff. And it's just not right for you to have something other people don't have or can't share in, is it? All you need to do to correct this perceived injustice, according to these teachers, is to let your superiors even things out a bit by taking some stuff from you and giving it to someone else.

Karl Marx had his own words for this concept. "From each according to his ability," he said, "to each according to his need." So what can be done to fix the problem? Well, I'll tell you what I did.

Actually, in my case, I didn't have to wait until my daughter, Laura, got into government school for this collectivist concept to rear its head. We learned this lesson in day care. One afternoon I picked up Laura at her day care center. As she got into the car, I could see that her eyes were red; there were still traces of tears on her cheeks.

What happened? I asked.

"The lady," she said, had taken her candy.

You see, it was the day after Halloween and Laura had taken a bag of goodies to day care, to dip into throughout the day. As soon as the day care supervisor saw her bag, however, she seized it. She told Laura that it just wasn't right for her to have anything that every other child didn't have. If she didn't bring enough to share with everyone, then she couldn't have it at all.

As soon as I heard that, I spun my incredibly hot Ford Pinto around and headed back to the day care center. Once there, I asked for a private meeting with the director. I asked her if she was familiar with the concept of private property. She said yes. Then I asked why it was the day care center's policy to indoctrinate children into the idea that it was not right for them to have property that other children didn't have.

Blank stare.

Then I asked her how she would feel if the bank took her next deposit and distributed it evenly among its other customers, telling her it wasn't nice for her to have money that other people didn't have. She got it.

The next time Laura brought some candy or cookies to day care, the supervisors left her alone.

For nearly all children in America, Day Number One at school— whether it's in an informal day care center or a public kindergarten— is also their first time in an independent social setting. It's their first chance to experience how the world is going to treat them. Until we do something to fix it, however, Lesson Number One your children learn that day may be that their rights exist only as long as the government allows.

And that's just the first week! Wait a little while, and you just might get that call from Teacher with vague, dark hints of a better world for your child if you'll just allow him to go on Ritalin.

From "Somebody's Gotta Say It"
Neal Boortz
© 2007


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KEYWORDS: backtoschool; boortz; education; publiceducation; publicschools; schools; windbag
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To: M0sby

Groupthink ...... it’s not just for liberals any more!


61 posted on 08/11/2008 1:19:32 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

LOL!

Happy Day SoftballmominVA!


62 posted on 08/11/2008 1:29:56 PM PDT by M0sby ("it is wrong to say every kid does better in public school, private or homeschool" -luckystarmom)
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To: nicola_tesla

If they send their kids to public school, they have to trust the teacher’s judgement. Obviously they do, since they’re entrusting the teacher with the kid’s life & education, so I don’t see how they can get all bent out of shape about things like this.
If you disagree with choices the teacher makes, why hand over your kids to him/her for eight hours every day?


63 posted on 08/11/2008 2:25:46 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Come then, War! With hearts elated to thy standard we will fly!)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
As your child sits in stunned silence, the teacher tells him and his classmates that these supplies now belong to all of the class. What was once private property has been seized and transformed into community property, courtesy of the teacher's demands — demands that amount to a government mandate.

This never happened to my children in public school, and it doesn't happen in my classroom. It may happen somewhere, however.

64 posted on 08/11/2008 3:33:54 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: LongElegantLegs
If you disagree with choices the teacher makes, why hand over your kids to him/her for eight hours every day? Because in a number of states they will put you in jail if you don't.
65 posted on 08/11/2008 4:16:36 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 ( At almost 85 YO -- Achieving victim status, one day at a time.)
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To: BenLurkin

What I’ve seen happen in Elementary school is each class is sectioned out. Each section has 4 desks that all face each other and a box/basket of supplies sit in the middle.

The students share from that box/basket of supplies. I’m sure it’s a matter of saving space for the students to have room to work instead of each student having to work while their own supplies take up the majority of their available desk space.


66 posted on 08/11/2008 5:10:13 PM PDT by trussell (I carry because...When seconds count between life and death, the police are only minutes away)
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To: mysterio

“Stopped reading this drek propaganda right here. If you believe that our teachers are so horrible, become one and do it the right way.”

You’ve simply deflected from debating the issue by issuing a hollow challenge to become a teacher. If I thought that the government schools were beyond horrible, why would I want to waste even a minute of my time on such a lost cause?

Apparently, you believe that the government schools are not beyond horrible. Fair enough. Why are the government schools not beyond horrible? Are they merely horrible? Slightly less than horrible? Greatly less than horrible?


67 posted on 08/11/2008 6:09:18 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: TheBattman

“How about everyone send their children to school without a single item on the list... Refuse to support everyone else. Or better yet, how about just not sending your kids to public school.”

I like choice “B”. The end of government education starts with you and your children.


68 posted on 08/11/2008 6:11:15 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: RKBA Democrat
If I thought that the government schools were beyond horrible, why would I want to waste even a minute of my time on such a lost cause?

I don't know, since you are so passionate about the issue, I figured maybe you'd want to jusm in and help fix the "problem."

Apparently, you believe that the government schools are not beyond horrible. Fair enough. Why are the government schools not beyond horrible? Are they merely horrible? Slightly less than horrible? Greatly less than horrible?

Based on my experience and the character and dedication of my parents, I think the schools are for the most part pretty good. You get out what you put in. But if you drop your kids off there like day care and don't demand results from them, your kids aren't going to get a good education.

Parental involvement is the key. If the parents don't care, there's only a certain amount that the teacher can do. Most of them do that and more.
69 posted on 08/11/2008 6:19:09 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: SoftballMominVA

“....I’m sure a lot of Freeper teachers know this too but stay away from these threads for fear of being attacked.”

That’s a real odd statement. Is our nation so awash in cowards? Anyone who wants to post here anonymously can do so. It’s not like there are roving bands of homeschooling advocates are lurking on FR looking to rough up people for their lunch money.


70 posted on 08/11/2008 6:23:07 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: SoftballMominVA
Groupthink.....it's not just for liberals any more!

Now that's a tagline if ever there was!!! LOL...good one!

71 posted on 08/11/2008 6:30:26 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (I am still bitter.)
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To: Malacoda

That teacher would get a surprise from our children. Other than giving my children some pencils, paper, and a few folders, I would send nothing. Just the rebel in me. hah.

Our children received supply lists via email over the last few weeks. I decided what I would buy and what I wouldn’t. There were items listed as community supplies, and I purchased some of those. Mostly, I concentrated on things that are useful for a student and not luxuries. Far too many teachers get carried away with all the neat doodads that they see at the store, and they think their students must have those items.

One item of contention with our two middle schoolers is that they are supposed to each have a flash drive. (they aren’t at a government-run public school.) And an accordian folder/portfolio—in addition to several binders, notebooks, folders, etc. AND watercolor pencils. (expensive)

My mother was a math teacher, and she used to buy pencils by the case to sell throughout the school year. Her students always had pencils. I had a teacher who sold pencils as well.


72 posted on 08/11/2008 6:36:19 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: mysterio

“I don’t know, since you are so passionate about the issue, I figured maybe you’d want to jusm in and help fix the “problem.”

I don’t think that there is a reasonable fix or set of fixes that will emerge that are going to fix the “problem(s)” with government schools. I don’t view the government schools as being worth the effort. It’s sort of like dumping money and time into a Ford Pinto. Yeah, you can spend a lot of money and time fixing up your car, but when the day is done....it’s still a Ford Pinto.

The best “fix” I see has little to do with the government schools and everything to do with the children who attend them. Take them out and spend the resources to educate them at home or privately. Many parents already have the resources to do so, it’s just a matter of priorities.

You’re right in noting that parental involvement is the key. I’m into the idea parental involvement. So much so that I think that in many (but not all) instances, parents would be better off to simply take the job on themselves.


73 posted on 08/11/2008 6:38:04 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: RKBA Democrat
It has to do with group dynamics. People who do not like or search out controversy will simply avoid speaking their minds, even if they believe with all their heart they are right.

In this forum, those who do not go lock step into the 'home schooling good, public school bad' mantra will generally avoid posting so as to not be attacked. It's not that they expect attack as they would someone with a weapon, but they do know that the group will disagree and may turn on them with derision. I will admit even I avoid some threads because I just don't have the energy to deal with tyrants and their sycophants.

It would be a statement on the maturity of conservatives if we as a group could hear a belief that differs from our own from a fellow conservative and then avoid hyperbole, sneers, and accusations of lying. But I can dream in one hand and spit in the other and I bet I can guess which one will fill up first.

74 posted on 08/11/2008 6:39:40 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA (I'm trying to think of a new screen name - any suggestions?)
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To: M0sby

Hey you better watch out! You’re talkin’ about folks behind their backs. They’ll be along shortly.


75 posted on 08/11/2008 6:44:32 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: RKBA Democrat
...roving bands of homeschooling advocates are lurking on FR looking to rough up people for their lunch money.

LOL...you haven't been to many homeschool vs. public, aka government 'indoctrination camps come free daycare center slash gulag' school threads have you?

But you are right...I have never had my 'cyber lunch money' stolen...

76 posted on 08/11/2008 6:45:06 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (I am still bitter.)
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To: petitfour

OOOOH Flash drives are the BEST thing for kids to have! Both of my girls have used them since elementary school and still use some of the research from middle school in college. Get them in the habit of saving all their work and research and especially papers. You never know when something can be a foundation for another project in the future. My younger daughter used part of a paper she wrote in 8th grade for a college essay. Without the flash drive that work would have been lost.


77 posted on 08/11/2008 6:45:07 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA (I'm trying to think of a new screen name - any suggestions?)
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To: petitfour
They'll be along shortly.

Astericks at the ready!

;) PaMom

78 posted on 08/11/2008 6:52:21 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (I am still bitter.)
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To: SoftballMominVA

I don’t doubt that they will be useful. I think I was just annoyed at the long list of things their teachers want them to have. Two 1 1/2” binders, one five subject notebook, and an accordian portfolio. All I ever needed was a folder for each subject, notebook paper, and pencils/pens.

There was one year when we moved just after school had started. We had already bought school supplies for the school the children would be attending. Then we were given new lists. For one month, our oldest daughter was harassed by her new teacher about the NEED to have a GREEN folder for such and such a subject. Apparently, there had been a run on GREEN folders because we looked and looked at KMarts, WalMarts, drug stores, etc., and we could never find what the teacher wanted. We eventually had our daughter removed from that class. This teacher delighted in being anal.


79 posted on 08/11/2008 7:06:15 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: RKBA Democrat

Well, it sounds like we both have the same goal with different paths.


80 posted on 08/11/2008 7:06:53 PM PDT by mysterio
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