2-party system: No choice but evil [Alan Keyes essay; Dobson's Choice]

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 8-11-2008 | Alan Keyes

[DallasBiff]

But, in any case, we’re now approaching the cliff. Once we hit the edge of it, it won’t matter in the least how fast we were going on approach, or who is driving

A perfect analogy for Alan Keyes political career.

[EternalVigilance]

That’s ridiculous. There’s nothing in Alan Keyes’ political philosophy that matches your assertions at all. He believes in what the founders of this country called self-evident: that our rights to life, liberty and private property are the unalienable endowment of our Creator, and that just government only exists by the consent of the governed. His every effort is geared towards restoring government of, by and for the people, which is the exact opposite of what you claim.

[Lakeshark]

That's not what I said, but hey, you're not interested anyway, plus I don't have enough time to spend in a silly back and forth that goes nowhere, so why bother.

Have a nice day.

[EternalVigilance]

Therein lies my dispute with Keyes and those of his ilk. Given the chance to do it, they would be just as oppressive as the worst nightmare liberal.

Protecting the unalienable rights of the people shouldn't cramp your style. Unless something in your political philosophy depends on the continuation of the alienation of those rights.

[AmericaUnited]

In the future, when you mouth off erroneously off about what someone else posts, and then get caught, don't pull this slippery worm routine. It make you look stupid.

[Cold Heat]

Yeah, that's exactly what he says, but not what he often advocates.

This is why many consider him at best flawed, and at worse, ridiculous, as you applied to me.

If he stuck to what you see him as, there never would be a issue.

But that just isn't the case.

[AmericaUnited]

The apologists for the compromised leadership of the GOP argue that it is better to go over the cliff at thirty miles an hour than to do it at sixty. The inanity of that argument is astounding.

I find it astoundingly insane to help push the runaway train up to 150 (by ensuring all liberals/rats/leftists win), in a misguided attempt to stop it.

[ConservativeDude]

I feel sorry for Alan. Clearly the man had some capabilities in a previous era. But he has become laughing stock, a clown, really. And he has sort of a sad life, what with the lesbian daughter and his getting burned by Borat and all that. I feel bad for him, b/c he probably doesn’t have a way to even buy the groceries. I mean, what does he do for a living?

He sort of needs to learn to just lie low, love justice and walk humbly with his God rather than hurting our cause by identifying our principles with his increasingly futile activities. Then again...probably no one pays him any attention, so he doesn’t really hurt our cause. But he sure isn’t helping it.

[LuxMaker]

The problem is that as long as humans are voted into office we will get some evil into that position for "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

Consider this quote from Paul from Romans 7:
14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.
15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.
16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good.
17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me.
18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.
19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing.
20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

Paul recognized more than anyone that he was not above reproach and he was continually battling his sin nature. Basically, in sum, all humans are evil because they carry the sin nature. Does that mean we should not try to fight it? Of course not.

[KC_Conspirator]

You expressed my thoughts as well.

[Cold Heat]

I find it astoundingly insane to help push the runaway train up to 150 (by ensuring all liberals/rats/leftists win), in a misguided attempt to stop it.

So this Keyes thread becomes another attack on those who cannot support the "maverick".

Many of us have made passionate arguments against McCain,but not because we want to push the country over a cliff at 30 or 150 mph. We love our country as much or perhaps more than anyone arguing on the other side of this mess.

We know who and what McCain is, and his populist notions are at the crux of the matter. He is no better, no worse than Obama in the aggregate when you do a prober appraisal, and in the end, no help to problems this country has with it's society at large. It is that society that is pushing hard to go over that cliff and the choices are few.

We can slow the train down only a couple miles per hour, if at all, considering the Dem's will hold the House and Senate, which will give them ammunition to blame Republicans from now until eternity for the predicted results of Democrat mismanagement starting two years ago and proceeding throughout McCain's term or terms.

Or........because he will be such a weak president and likely to lose cohesion during a crisis that is sure to come multiple times it might be best politically to make sure the Democrats take the entire blame, responsibility and weight on their broad political shoulders which will damage them severely and teach the society that elections do have consequences and populism has no place in that decision making..A lesson learned before, but now apparently forgotten by current generations with the exception of mine.

Looking way down the road, I see the latter as the best choice and this is my justification.

[Guenevere]

I agree...I won’t compromise.

[LowOiL]

Since Alan Keyes has always been “all anti-abortion, all the time”, to the exclusion of other issues that might have brought him (and Republicans and conservatives) to greater political success, he should be firmly in McCain’s corner. The fact that he is not tells me that he is really “all Alan Keyes in the limelight, all the time”. It’s time for him to join Brother Jesse on the ash-heap of history.

You in the right forum today?

[robert david]

Keyes is nothing but an egotistic attention whore - an irrelevant one at that.

[Lakeshark]

Sorry, I tried to end this civilly, but you just want to keep this going don't you?

You started with the moronic analogy, so go pound sand and go defend your own indefensible stupidity.

[LowOiL]

Alan Keyes uses a lot of words to say what I have been saying for years now.

Romans 3:8 (King James Version)

And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

Romans 6:1-2

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Romans 12:9 NIV .. Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.

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Paul wrote, “Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil” (Rom. 12:9)

[AmericaUnited]

You started with the moronic analogy, so go pound sand

You didn't even understand my analogy you idiot! And each time I asked you to explain it, YOU DODGED AND WEASLED OUT, knowing full well how stupid you would look.

[Reeses]

You think that McCain will nominate a conservative to the Supreme Court, one that can get through the Democrat controlled approval process? It may be better to take our chances that a judge won’t retire during Carter II’s 4 years then have a conservative elected in a landslide. I’ll maybe vote for McCain but I don’t care much how it goes.

[AmericaUnited]

We can slow the train down only a couple miles per hour, if at all,

And so the insane stupidity of pushing it up to 150 miles per hour.

[Maelstorm]

Yes he can if we don’t lose ground in the Senate and the House. It is up to us. We say we are conservatives. We have the Energy issue and Security issue and McCain is slowly but surely reclaiming other issues from the Democrats after are wonder GW and his compassionate conservatism sent fiscal responsibility out the window. You should care.