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To: TLI

Uh, if anyone has the horsepower available for a land war in their own backyard, its Russia. They’re not tied down in Iraq and Afghanistan as we are.


7 posted on 08/09/2008 11:34:43 AM PDT by KantianBurke (President Bush, why did you abandon Specialist Ahmed Qusai al-Taei?)
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To: KantianBurke

re: “if anyone has the horsepower available for a land war in their own backyard, its Russia”

Just like so many other things in life, it depends. Just on the other side of the Caucasus mountains from South Ossetia is the Chechen Republic, which has been at war intermittently with Russia from approx. 1995 to approx. 2003. Large parts of Chechnya still experience low level conflict with Russia. More clearly: very close to Georgia, and on the same side of the Caucaus mountains as the Russian supply lines, there are still a large number of experienced, violent, and not completely passified Chechens who probably would be more than happy to tie down Russian forces in this conflict. Chechens have been reproducing like crazy in the last few decades, and there’s therefore a large pool of young people to be led by their more experienced relatives against the Russians, should Chechens decide they want to “get some.”

On the other side of Georgia, there’s Turkey, which has historically had a great interest in not having Russia extend up to it’s border. Turkey has already committed to selling electricity to Georgia after this conflict started.

On the other side of the Black Sea, there’s Bulgaria and Romania, both of which have strong anti-Russian movements.

On the other side of Russia (separated by Belarus) is Poland, which has a very strong anti-Russian sentiment. And, of course, there’s the Baltic states, where (up until this latest Georgian thing) one of the big issues was tearing down remnants of Russian occupation.

And, of course, there’s China. Some elements of Chinese government have been coveting the depopulating region of Siberia as a new home for the 1.1 billion Chinese currently crammed into China. Further, by invading Georgia, Russia just stole China’s glory at China’s Olympic coming-out party. That may be a more volatile combination than what is generally recognized.

So, while Russia may not have any major active conflicts, other than the one in Georgia, going on right now, Russia is surrounded by countries that largely hate Russians, and which might support the Georgians. If I was a Russian commander, I wouldn’t bet that those other countries wouldn’t get involved. That would sap Russian “horsepower” in a hurry.


13 posted on 08/09/2008 12:03:26 PM PDT by Jubal Harshaw
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To: KantianBurke
Well so far the Russians are pretty much still in friendly territory and they are already taking hits.

Russia acknowledged that Georgian forces had shot down two Russian warplanes, while a senior Georgian official said the Georgians had destroyed 10 Russian jets.

The US has truckloads of current combat active forces just to the south and relatively speaking just as close.

What with the resources that are in the immediate area running every form of surveillance known to man and undoubtedly under constant spy sat observation the US can rat out every time the SO's and Russians pee. It would not take much on the part of the Americans in the area to "convince" the Russians that moving into Georgia proper would not be wise.

15 posted on 08/09/2008 12:15:26 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: KantianBurke

Correct and I think it’s a good time to pull our Marines and GIs out of Georgia ASAP. The Marines have at least a battalion in joint exercisies and The Army has a substantial training unit with the Georgian forces. While I think a battalion of combat tested Marines could deliver bloody nose to the Russians, it’s not something that we need to do at this time. Send in the C17s and GTHOOT.


19 posted on 08/09/2008 12:47:36 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (Freedom is purchased not with gold, but with steel.)
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