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To: neb52
To get around pharmacists objections? Doctor's shouldn't have to get around pharmacists objections. It's a trade and a technical skill. They are the waiters of the medical profession, and if the doctor orders it, they need to bring it to the table or find another job.

Hypothetical: I'm a pharmacists and my dad was a UAW worker in Flint, and the foreign cars put him out of work and destroyed my home town, so I have a moral objection to foreign owned companies competing with US companies. You come in and ask for Beyer asprin because you have a head ache, I don't sell it to you. What's up? Crazy right? Not all that different from what we're talking about.

How about dispensing drugs when the pharmacist thinks it's for an off label use (when the doctor prescribes the drug for a condition for which it's not FDA approved). Can't the pharmacist step in then too? Not his business.

A pharmacist is a licensed professional because the government has decided that the people need a minimum level of quality and availability of services. Part of availability means that if a pharmacist should be expected to be able to do it, every pharmacist knows how, but I don't think anyone fifty years ago, when pharmacy might have been even more technically demanding, ever thought members of the profession would be refusing to sell a particular drug.

9 posted on 08/09/2008 5:26:10 AM PDT by NYFriend
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To: NYFriend; neb52
They are the waiters of the medical profession, and if the doctor orders it, they need to bring it to the table or find another job.

No. They are also the ones who spot doctors' errors in prescription as well as danger posed to the patient from drug interactions between multiple drugs prescribed by multiple doctors of the same patient. In addition, your waiter metaphor is defective except in the case of a doctor prescribing for himself.
10 posted on 08/09/2008 5:32:17 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: NYFriend
They are the waiters of the medical profession, and if the doctor orders it, they need to bring it to the table or find another job.

That is a ridiculous analogy. Is the doctor analogous to the cook, or the customer? If the doctor is the cook, he is a co-worker, like the waiter, not a superior. The doctor does not own the restaurant (pharmacy). If the pharmacist is the "customer," the pharmacist (waiter) can simply say, we don't serve ham and cheese here at "Kosher Hut" (a real restaurant in New York).

Good pharmacists are a protection against bad doctors the way good jurors are a protection against bad judges.
11 posted on 08/09/2008 5:37:06 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: NYFriend

“Not all that different from what we’re talking about.” If it were possible to rewach and pinch your spirit, I would reccommend you do that because you apparently have either an asleep spirit or a dead one since you cannot tell the difference in alive and dead ... treating to kill is not the same as treating to cure in order to sustain life. In your flawed calculus perhaps they are the same, hence you have a dead-soul to contend with before you will be able to differentiate keenly. You and ‘ethicist’ Charo have much in common. Aren’t you proud?


15 posted on 08/09/2008 6:43:10 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: NYFriend
but I don't think anyone fifty years ago, when pharmacy might have been even more technically demanding, ever thought members of the profession would be refusing to sell a particular drug

The pharmacist is not an order taker. It is his job that the drugs dispensed do more good than harm to the person obtaining them. They have a professional, personal and moral obligation to dispense drugs that do not harm the person receiving them. This includes quality, quantity, frequency,contraindications with other drugs, and there knowledge of the person. They are not pill counters and they have training in chemistry that doctors generally do not have.

The pharmacist has the same moral responsibility to the patient as the doctor. Making a pharmacist participate in a treatment that he disagrees with as harming the patient is an abuse of power.

16 posted on 08/09/2008 7:11:49 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: NYFriend

The word is “professional.”

(And yes, I’ve had pharmacists refuse to fill ‘scripts without talking to me, just as I’ve had to go to the bedside to give insulin shots because the patient’s nurse was concerned about his blood sugar and refused.)

Do you want a person with no conscience counting out your pills?

You’re free to try to change my mind, but you’re not free to force my mind and hands to do what you want.

You can get what you want if it’s legal and you pay for it, but you do not have the right to force me to buy it, store it, and sell it to you.

If you have your way, the majority of US voters who object to abortion and physician assisted suicide as the intentional killing of fellow human beings will have no choice other than people they believe are unethical.

Yeah, that’s why some places don’t sell alcohol or tobacco and others do.

It’s a free country. Go somewhere else for what you want. If too many people go somewhere else, I’ll go out of business or change.


20 posted on 08/09/2008 10:48:35 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: NYFriend

BTW, the majority of voters who hate killing *are* “the government.”


21 posted on 08/09/2008 10:49:34 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: NYFriend

Precisely. The Big Government regulation being proposed by the administration is exactly like the Muzzie cab drivers who wanted to pick and choose which fares they’d accept (no booze, no seeing-eye dogs, maybe no “infidels” period) while hogging the spot at the front of the line so another cabbie couldn’t serve the spurned passenger.


32 posted on 08/25/2008 9:40:47 PM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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