Posted on 08/08/2008 11:48:09 PM PDT by CutePuppy
Actions to Aid Probe Appear Now As Cover-Up
WASHINGTON -- One night in autumn 2001, as the U.S. reeled from the worst act of bioterrorism in its history, Bruce Ivins was alone in his cluttered Fort Detrick, Md., office, scrubbing phones, walls and furniture.
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Dr. Ivins, his colleagues said, argued that al Qaeda was responsible. "He was very passionate about this," former boss Jeffrey Adamovicz said. "He was very agitated." In these conversations, Dr. Ivins dwelled at one point on a purported link between Florida victim Robert Stevens, a photographer for American Media, and an apartment rented to 9/11 ringleader Mohammad Atta, Dr. Adamovicz said. (The FBI discounts that as an explanation.)
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That winter, the FBI asked Dr. Ivins to take his first and only lie-detector test, according to a law-enforcement official. The polygraph was part of the bureau's vetting of investigators. The FBI hasn't released the results. Dr. Ivins retained his role in the investigation.
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By this time, all of the scientists in the bacteriology division were under the FBI's investigative microscope, people working there at the time said. One after another, they submitted to a 3½-hour polygraph test. Dr. Ivins "was in the safety zone" because he had already passed his polygraph, Dr. Andrews said. Dr. Ivins was never tested again, a law-enforcement official said.
A siege mentality began to build in the division, and Dr. Ivins shared in his colleagues' resentment. "Ever since they started calling back the people in the bacteriology division for polygraphs, they all sort of got quiet about things," Col. Anderson said. "Bruce wasn't the only person who stopped talking."
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He grew more critical of the investigation when it began pointing toward him in late 2006. ... he thought the FBI might be trying to set him up, Dr. Adamovicz recalled.
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So Ivins passed his polygraph. Interesting, I sure hope they have hard evidence. Hate to see they drove someone to kill themselves just to close a case. They sure have a history of screwing up re: Hatfill.
"..the wife of Bob Stevens's boss rented an apartment to Atta while he was doing his flight training in preparation for the attacks. "
dead link though..
Small world...or not
Yes, the more of the hard evidence I see, the less I am getting impressed with the “case”. Since 2002, FBI “discounted” Florida, and were concentrating on watching everybody in the lab. I guess, it was “logical” or easier because that’s where the “money” (anthrax) was. I am sure it was “helpful” to everybody there in continuing their work.
Apparently, 2006 was when Ivins became a subject. Was it only because he was The Last of the Mohicans they could still hang it on, since they didn’t seem to pursue any other venues? When was Hatfill out of the woods?
The thing that does bother me about Ivins....it became evident by the late part of this week...that the guy was bi-polar. Once they started describing his ills, his treatments, and the therapy groups he was attending...then there was an email where he basically suggested that he had bi-polar. The lab should have disconnected this guy from all projects at least ten years ago. With the amount of medication he was on...and the various problems he presented...whoever approved his security clearance...was not clearly thinking.
Ivins may be innocent on the charge...but this guy was a problem waiting for some shooting or accident to happen.
Ping.
It's hard to call this a history when it was the same case! They pursued Hatfill for years, then settled with him for millions, then BAM! What the heck ... ?
FWIW, it can be found here, http://www.heartson.com/Politics/my_complete_911.html - My Complete 9/11 Time Line
Though the site has a decidedly “9/11 conspiracy” and “Gore won Florida” bend, it does have a lot of other “documented,” i.e. printed elsewhere, information so it can be sifted for actually useful references.
Re: Jewell, Re: A dozen other cases throughout the years. The FBI isn't as good as most folks like to think, and I believe, that once again they are deliberately lying to the public in order to both "close" a case, and advance an agenda at the same time. This time, they have chosen someone who cannot possibly fight their slanders, being oh-so-conveniently dead...
the infowarrior
I don’t understand this crap at all. We have been told for years that the DNA in the envelopes didn’t match any DNA of any (I repeat ANY) Anthrax that was under the control of our people. Now we find out that it was actually known for some time (indeed right from the beginning) that this guy had the only sample that matched the DNA of the envelopes? Am I getting this right? Because that is what I am hearing and if this is true our investigators are more inept than we realized.
Kinda like....See folks...Iraq had nothing to do with the Anthrax..
Except if they really had a case, they had it long ago...
And if you don't think they can concoct "evidence"...
This is just ANOTHER Bash Bush thing as far as I can see...and a new twist on Iraq and WMD.
No, most of the "quotes" from "medical professionals" regarding Dr. Ivins have already been doubly discounted because of that.
The FBI picked a very poor source, but then again maybe she's great in bed ~ that's how they do their investigations these days you know.
Remember, this is the same crowd that falsely identified Richard Jewel as the Atlanta Bomber and then went on to waste 5 years hanging around Smokey Mountain area beer joints looking for the guy who really did it.
Same division even isn't it?
“The thing that does bother me about Ivins....it became evident by the late part of this week...that the guy was bi-polar”
those types can go into a deep depression when triggered by pressures and events. That could possibly explain the suicide part.
What happened is that DNA forensics have improved tremendously. In the beginning all they could do was identify it as the Ames variety. That's been in use for many years as a standard anthrax cultivar to use to test new treatments, efficacy of existing treatments, and so on.
Everybody has a piece of the Ames variety!
What everybody didn't have was a piece of it bred in isolation for a gazillion years (in bureaucrat budget time) and identified as a certain flask number which was "assigned" to Dr. Ivins as "custodian". It took new science to pin it down to that point.
Now "old science" would have informed the FBI that just because a guy is the "custodian" doesn't mean he has control ~ up to 10 people have been identified by the FBI (without naming names) as having "access" to the flask. Other sources suggest the FBI was willing to go along with the idea that maybe 100 people had "access" to the flask.
The FBI has yet to discuss many of the details of this case for a variety of reasons. Some of it involves still secret stuff. Some of it involves the Hatfill case (where they paid him to keep his mouth shut, and they aren't talking about any of that either). Yet more of it involves internal sensitivities ~ bunch of people at the FBI were sucked into the "Hatfill did it" scenario and they have not yet been subjected to personnel discipline.
The American people would be a pack of fools to think this case is over.
I agree with your assessment, there is something else going on here.
According to Richard Spertzel, the former head of the biological weapons section of UNSCOM, and who was a member of the Iraq Survey Group said “It is impossible for any one person, to have made the weapons grade anthrax, at least without anyone else knowing about it, or being part of it”.
Spertzel: believes the weapons grade anthrax itself was a product of a joint venture between Syria and Iraq, noting the agreement between the two countries for the development of chemical and biological weapons starting in 1994.
souce: http://www.thexreport.com
I would ask how bad was his bi-polar?
Some have mild cases and some have severe cases.
We have teachers who are bi-polar.
Should we exempt them from teaching if they’re diagnosed with bi-polar? Firing someone because they have a disability would involve a lawsuit against the school district.
If they’re treated with medication and have a good support system they lead normal lives. Sterotyping people with mental illiness is being superstitous especially when many mental health issues are easily treated.
However, some people with bi-polar can’t control their illness even with medication...those are the people I would worry about. People like that can not hold down a job so they go on Social Security.
What bothers me is...Ivin’s social worker didn’t sound too tightly wrapped. She didn’t help Ivin’s if he was having some problems and he should of been relocated to another department not dealing with deadly pathogens.
I think Ivin’s was a sensitive guy who took things too personally. Suicide does not happen with people with bi-polar disorders alone you know.
FBI has falsely accused people before. If I was a dedicated professional who spent a life time working on a Anthrax vaccine and then have the FBI call me a criminal....I think I would have head problems too.
I have noticed we have lowered the security clearance requirements in last ten years? Anybody can work on very sensitive stuff. We can’t discriminate based on nationality or someone’s disability.
I don’t think Ivan’s was the problem. I think its a institutional thing. We have lax security within our sensitive labs dealing with deadly pathogens. We won’t find out how badly things are run in those departments. Government is covering it up. Maybe something went missing due to poor management. Its hushed hushed. That’s my opinion.
That would scare the American public.
It’s better to have a scapegoat.
And the Freepers can speculate.
“In an earlier e-mail, Ivins talked openly about his depression and paranoia and seeking help.
In 2000, he wrote: “The thinking now by the psychiatrist and counselor is that my symptoms may not be those of a depression or bipolar disorder, they may be that of a ‘Paranoid Personality Disorder.’ “
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2058452/posts
I remember reading it was the Ames variety but we were told the military didn’t mess with that variety and that Russian stuff was all TCN resisitant.
Maryland “Freak State” PING!
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