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To: libravoter
My argument is that if either known parent is NOT a citizen at the time of birth, it does not matter where a person is born. Even if born in the US, they are NOT "natural born" in the strict reading of that term. Their allegiance is divided between the US and the country of the other parent.

In Obama's case it is even more clear -- he is a citizen of both the US and Kenya according to a newspaper biographical report. His actual allegiance is divided, he campaigned in Kenya for his cousin there.

Moreover due to the circumstance of his adoption by the step-dad, the Indonesian Mr. Soetoro in Indonesia, according to the law of Indonesia at the time (as reported by Judah Benjamin at Texas Darlin blog) Obama would have to have become an Indonesian citizen.

His allegiances are highly conflicted. He, himself, calls himself a "citizen of the World".

161 posted on 08/08/2008 9:09:59 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
Even if born in the US, they are NOT "natural born" in the strict reading of that term. Their allegiance is divided between the US and the country of the other parent

The problem is, while I know what you mean, "allegiance" is a hard thing to measure, and may mean different things to different people. That's why there's constitutional law.

Correct me if I am wrong (not that I have any fear you won't ;-), but the rules on the books would indicate that one US citizen parent, if old enough and with the right residency qualifications, would be enough to have their child be a US citizen at birth, even if born in another country the parent was visiting.

I also have read that the rules on the books have never been tested in courtroom regarding a candidate's qualifications, so nothing is certain.

163 posted on 08/08/2008 9:18:49 AM PDT by libravoter (Live from the People's Republic of Cambridge)
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To: bvw
Moreover due to the circumstance of his adoption by the step-dad, the Indonesian Mr. Soetoro in Indonesia, according to the law of Indonesia at the time (as reported by Judah Benjamin at Texas Darlin blog) Obama would have to have become an Indonesian citizen.

...and a muslim.

His allegiances are highly conflicted. He, himself, calls himself a "citizen of the World".

That's rather telling for anyone paying attention.

167 posted on 08/08/2008 10:01:58 AM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: bvw

His actual allegiance is divided, he campaigned in Kenya for his cousin there.
***From what I read on this thread and elsewhere, this is exactly the kind of divided loyalty the founding fathers intended NOT to allow into the presidency.


195 posted on 08/08/2008 10:57:52 AM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: bvw

Do you have a link for Obama’s adoption by his stepfather? I hear people talking about this, but never seen anything that said he was adopted. Everything I’ve seen refers to “stepfather”.

Also, Reagan called himself a citizen of the world.


211 posted on 08/08/2008 12:09:53 PM PDT by Crystal Cove
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