Posted on 08/07/2008 8:42:20 PM PDT by Kevmo
When and How will the Obama Birth Certificate Forgery story break into the MSM? How do we get this out? Will we need to start filing lawsuits in each individual state?
Post your suppositions and activist suggestions here.
Have local detractors been releasing derogatory information until now? I haven’t seen anything about this.
I’ve asked this before and never gotten a reply, but has anyone ever seen a hard copy of this document? How can a document be called a forgery when no one’s even seen it?
You have to read the detail analysis. It was fairly straightforward to prove that it was a photoshopped jpg, not a scan of a hardcopy. The supposed discovery of the old text is a bit more complicated.
Naturalized citizens don’t have to lie to keep dual citizenship.
Excellent! Thanks for the link.
I didn’t recall correctly.
Too bad the law was repealed, it directly addresses the McCain question.
Good thing the law was repealed, it gives Obama wiggle room as his father was a resident of the United States while in college...
Natural born means born to natural whole allegiance.
There always will be cases not fitting well, but keep the simple principle in mind and cases are then honestly decided. It is the Principle that is the foundation upon which laws and rulings are built -- it is a persistent trouble to Law and Justice that otherwise wise people want to pour the concrete in the wrong place -- and set concrete detailed standards that apply in all circumstances -- and by so doing obscure and bury the Principle with statute and case law so much so that the applied law becomes at a total perverted odds with the Original.
The foundation is all Principle. Affix your arguments and reasoning to that solid foundation.
Enjoy! And rest and return.
Why does Maya Soetoro even have a Hawaiian birth certificate?
How does one go about measuring the "natural whole allegiance" of a newborn in any objective manner? It's such an objective standard as to be meaningless. It gives us no guidance whatsoever and could be used for any political purpose.
The foundation is all Principle. Affix your arguments and reasoning to that solid foundation.
Your proposed foundation is built on shifting sand.
“But if the technical findings are refuted”
You can’t prove a negative. Others have refuted the claims made but it hasn’t convinced true believers. Meanwhile, the published birth annoucement in the Honolulu papers put the kiboshe on the ‘hes born in Kenya’ craziness.
So be it. Most people are just going to ignore it and move on since the claims are unconvincing to say the least, with the true believers/advocates wondering ‘why is nobody listening?’
“the core support vanishes and only the kooks stay with it.”
Unintentional irony alert!
Do you have a link for Obama’s adoption by his stepfather? I hear people talking about this, but never seen anything that said he was adopted. Everything I’ve seen refers to “stepfather”.
Also, Reagan called himself a citizen of the world.
Interesting point, the law that repealed the 1790 law utterly drops natural born for chillins born to American citizens born abroad.
They are described only as ‘citizens’ no longer as ‘natural born citizens’...
http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=538
The code is that Obama is an inexperienced lightweight who is unqualified based on his lack of executive, leadership and political experience track record to be President, and the Clintons are still in shock as to how and why they lost the primary to him.
There's no code that says his COLB is wrong. If the Clintons had it on him, they would have used it. They dont.
Nah, the big story will be Obama visiting Pakistan using his Indonesian passport.
“You’re making up requirements out of whole cloth here to create a tortured definition of natural-born citizen. To my knowledge, American citizenship laws have never made any distinctions for people born in the US based on the citizenship of their parents.”
You are correct.
It is also correct that in the US, it has *always* been the case that children born to US citizen parents are US citizens.
Huh? You’re joking, right?
Did you happen to notice that you just agreed to the opposite of what you said?
No I am not
That's a question? I mean there's nothing to it. What are the natural factors that go into establishing a loyalty to a sovereign, those factors that are in place at the time of the birth? They are easily named!
And when there is a question -- say the father was a famous traitor, or the child was born abroad to citizen parents but not returned home until adulthood, or the child born in the US has one resident alien non-citizen parent -- it makes sense to let actual reality inform a ruling about the questionable circumstance of birth. Has the person ever taken advantage of the other citizenship, have they renounced other citizenships available to them via the alien parent's country, have they served their country honorably in a way that clearly demonstrates unquestionable allegiance?
:) I’ve dug into his Pakistan trip as much as I can- it seems...odd, at the very least.
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