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To: bvw
I almost have to ignore your post, because you brought in a patent falsehood when you said "the opposite of what everyone's been arguing".

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Aw, don't go ignoring me. I'm not a "post & flee" type. And I try never to post just to hear myself type or to cause a kerfuffle.

And you're right to caution again using the term "everyone" on freerepublic. There is no everybody here.

That said, I get 100% the difference between "natural born" and "citizenship" (naturalized or other). And the argument you summarize -- whether his mother's age prevent him from being a citizen at birth if born outside the USA -- is the one I said everyone's been arguing.

In my post to you, I was responding to your posting "It doesn't matter where Obama was born, for unless both known parents were US citizens or the father is completely unknown to anyone — he is not “natural born” as that term was used when the Constitution was adopted."

It looked to me as if you were saying it was impossible to be natural born outside the USA unless both parents were citizens. Did you mean impossible as she was too young?

159 posted on 08/08/2008 8:59:28 AM PDT by libravoter (Live from the People's Republic of Cambridge)
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To: libravoter
My argument is that if either known parent is NOT a citizen at the time of birth, it does not matter where a person is born. Even if born in the US, they are NOT "natural born" in the strict reading of that term. Their allegiance is divided between the US and the country of the other parent.

In Obama's case it is even more clear -- he is a citizen of both the US and Kenya according to a newspaper biographical report. His actual allegiance is divided, he campaigned in Kenya for his cousin there.

Moreover due to the circumstance of his adoption by the step-dad, the Indonesian Mr. Soetoro in Indonesia, according to the law of Indonesia at the time (as reported by Judah Benjamin at Texas Darlin blog) Obama would have to have become an Indonesian citizen.

His allegiances are highly conflicted. He, himself, calls himself a "citizen of the World".

161 posted on 08/08/2008 9:09:59 AM PDT by bvw
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