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If this was a set-up from the start...

Link: Sen. Obama Wants Florida, Michigan Delegates To Have Full Voting Rights

Link: Sen. Hillary Clinton Seeks Democratic Convention Voice

Don't underestimate the bait & switch tactics of the democrats. If this was a set-up from the start, Hill and Barry could turn Denver into a real love-fest. In my nightmares, Hillary steps forward to take her destiny, Obama admits he's inexperienced with only 120 days in the Senate (while spiraling in the polls) and the press will eat it up. Obamie becomes Mrs. Clinton’s VP running mate and heir apparent to the future (sixteen years of sustained democratic reign in the White House).

Stranger things have happened in the Dem-zone – especially when the Clintons stir the pot and it's really the only way the democrats can possibly heal the current party rifts. Think about it. Barack is not going to win this race the way he's going now. This time last election cycle John Kerry was almost 20 polling points ahead of Dubya and he still lost. By the most optimistic poll, Obama is 7 points ahead and most have a statistical tie and some even favor McCain. The loyal Hillary folks (PartyUnityMyA--) are on the warpath and planning to march on Denver demanding Hillary be nominated. “COUNT THE VOTES” is their battle cry. At this late date Hillary hasn’t released a single delegate, and you have to wonder why Obama is suddenly calling for the Michigan and Florida delegates to be counted – and not just the remaining delegates after the democratic party penalties, but ALL OF THEM. That would put Hillary’s delegate count so close to his that just a few super-delegates could put her in the lead. But, if Hillary snags the nomination away from the "chosen one" and snubs him, many say there would be civil disobedience to make the Rodney King riots look like a Saturday night in Podunk and they would take PUMA to a new level.

But, if this was a set-up from the start... was it to keep the heat and scrutiny off of Hillary these last couple of months while she’s been resting up and scheming. Wolfson moved from Hillary's handler to Obama's without a glitch or much notice - is he the liberal Carl Rove, charged with shepherding in the Clinton/Obama dream ticket? Obama took the slings and arrows, the media “scrutiny” and "kept hope alive" and now he will be rewarded with the VP slot in the Clinton administration and a real shot at White House in the future. Everyone who thinks about it says hey, that’s just crazy enough to work.

You have to wonder what the Clintons are up to. Just days ago (August 4th) Bill Clinton, who on July 18th said he “was ready to campaign for Obama,” passed up a perfect opportunity to endorse him, asking: “Is anyone ready on day one to be president?” … and cryptically added, “You can argue that even if you've been vice president for eight years, that no one can be fully ready for the pressures of the office." Huh? You could, I suppose, but are we talking about Al Gore or Dick Cheney here Bill? The question was - is Obama ready? In classic Clinton style, he answered the question with questions of his own and perhaps revealed the only scenario that makes any sense and fits all the mounting evidence. Is Barry asking whether a guaranteed VP slot now and coattails into the presidency in eight years is better than a crap-shoot in 2008 and a possible crash & burn without the Clinton “Machine”? You betcha he’s smart enough to have bought into this. Was this the Clinton backup plan all along or have I been drinking the Kool-aide too long?

If Barry goes to his "base" with one of his scripted teleprompter coup de grace “Berlin” messiah-moments in Denver and says he's happy to stand aside - no, "Stand UNITED" - and learn at the master's knee, I suspect the only riots would be across-the-board jubilation by the democrats and a chorus of Kum-bah-yah from the main stream media. Talk about a juggernaut! The talking heads would need to add a few hours to the 24-hour news cycle if it plays out like that. It would turn things upside down and we'd have a whole new ballgame 'lil buckaroos.

Just my 2¢
34 posted on 08/07/2008 4:45:16 AM PDT by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw (Robert A. Heinlein))
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To: Drumbo

You whole scenario is absurd. Barry can’t admit he’s not ready to be POTRUS and then claim to be qualified to be “one heartbeat away” as VP.


37 posted on 08/07/2008 5:17:35 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Drumbo

Geez. And ugh! It does make sense Drumbo. And I don’t like it either! LOL


41 posted on 08/07/2008 5:45:50 AM PDT by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/peoples-information-support-team/ -JOIN US!-We're PIST!)
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To: Drumbo
I would never be surprised at anything the Clintons would pull to get back into power!

NEVER COUNT HILLARY OUT!

I have been wondering about this and we DO know what she's capable of.

VIDEO PROOF

43 posted on 08/07/2008 7:22:25 AM PDT by luvie (Obama=Change: HIGHER taxes, MORE entitlements, FEWER freedoms, LESS oil for America!!)
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....and it’s a VERY scary scenario! ~~shiver~~


44 posted on 08/07/2008 7:27:17 AM PDT by luvie (Obama=Change: HIGHER taxes, MORE entitlements, FEWER freedoms, LESS oil for America!!)
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To: Drumbo

Re: “Set-up from the start...”

In the beginning of this campaign charade, and due my observation the Dems have melded Hollywood techniques de Choreography into their strategy decades ago, amongst other devices of deception I too thought perhaps Obama was on a “getting to know you” expedition for a future coupling with the “Hildabeech” as the VP offering. Within months I dropped that scenario cold. He blindsided her. Wasn’t part of the plan.

It isn’t today either.

Wild Bill has been around the World as though still POTUS negotiating high level business deals. As most of these “deals” seem to require investment by potential business partners into the Clinton Library for use of his time and efforts, one might be inclined to believe promises have been made for that day in which he, through Hillary returns to that awsome position that has been, and will again be manipulated for his and her unscrupulous profiteering. IOW the Clinton’s are desperate to return to the WH to keep those promises made.

Clinton’s have no loyalty to the United States, her Constitution, the people that comprise the Nation. Only to themselves and for their own benefit have they built their machine. It’s a machine that runs on high-grade Bullscoot.

The Clinton’s are the epitome of the meaning of Con-Artists. America is their target.

In favor of brevity, I pose simply that IMO the Clinton’s WILL be back. They don’t give a damn about riots or not. Their only care is to return to the POWER that they can once again manipulate to their benefit.

The results of the Democrats Bru-ha-ha this month in Denver will tell us all what direction WE need to concentrate efforts prior to November. Regardless we must focus on Congress. Take it back.


45 posted on 08/07/2008 7:27:51 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Say Obama were "Pinky", Then who is "The Brain"?)
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To: Drumbo
In my nightmares, Hillary steps forward to take her destiny, Obama admits he's inexperienced with only 120 days in the Senate (while spiraling in the polls) and the press will eat it up.

That's not a nightmare, that's way, way too much LSD.
Relax.

51 posted on 08/07/2008 7:38:58 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Drumbo

Good analysis and very believeable. Rush talking about this today.

Everyone forgets that Obama is just the “presumptive” nominee.


56 posted on 08/07/2008 9:35:03 AM PDT by tips up
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To: Drumbo

But, if this was a set-up from the start...<<<

I suspect that it has worked....

They managed to get all the other Republicans and leave us with a weak candidate, now the dems will pull out the big guns, even to switching candidates....LOL - my opinion.


58 posted on 08/07/2008 5:26:57 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Why do you think some of us have been saying that people need to knock off their criticism of the McCain campaign not attacking BO harder until after he gets the nomination.

Waste a lot of money now fighting the phantom candidate and then when Hitlary steps in graciously to fill the vaccuum left, she’s got his big warchest (full of dollars from every source imaginable, like the Gaza Strip, England, etc.) and he’s got nothing because he’s already wasted his money fighting Obama.

Paul


63 posted on 08/08/2008 5:35:33 AM PDT by spacewarp (Gun control is a tight cluster grouping in the chest and one in the forehead.)
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To: Drumbo
In my nightmares, Hillary steps forward to take her destiny, Obama admits he's inexperienced with only 120 days in the Senate (while spiraling in the polls) and the press will eat it up.

In my nightmare, all the worthwhile VP canidates have had their affairs "outed" with word they'll be "edwards" if they accept the VP slot. Obamba turns to Hillary - only to discover that she's got the goods on him. He allows Hillary's people to win to stop an "in the back a limo" story from hurting his wife... and Hillary picks a weak intellectual man for her VP and Bill runs the country. Shortly thereafter a new type of cancer dubbed freeper cancer takes all of us out.

67 posted on 08/08/2008 7:49:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (What someone thinks is going to happen is not news. After it happens it is news. - Sowell)
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