[gandalftb]

The pdf is a little scratchy, but readable. Must reading, although broad in nature. Quote:

"The Roman model suggests that it is possible for the United States to maintain its military advantage for centuries if it remains capable of transforming its forces before an opponent can develop counter-capabilities. Transformation coupled with strong strategic institutions is a powerful combination for an adversary to overcome."

[The Shrew]

Haven't read it yet, but I will.

Thanks for the post.

Regards,

TS

[colorado tanker]

You here a lot of talk about the U.S. going the way of Rome, but people forget Rome was top dog for centuries after the fall of the Republic and in the East lasted another millennium. Not a bad run.

[Elsiejay]

Is it the case that this small book-length piece has been published in the Mother Jones magazine, or is it available as a separate item from MJ?

[Billthedrill]

Great read, and thanks for posting. This is very much a Naval War College-style product and one wonders what the staff of Mother Jones must have thought of it.

Two (of many) extant points appear worth a quick comment - military advantage is not the only descriptor of a hegemon, nor was it for the Romans, whose political culture was at least as influential as its legions. Hegemony, therefore, must have military advantage among other influences in order to be complete.

In all three models, however, the Macedonian, Roman, and Mongol, the military was far more influential within its host society than the U.S. military is within its. There is peril here in analogy - the older Greek culture enjoyed a considerable cultural hegemony over both the Macedonians and the Romans, and the older Arab culture a similar cultural hegemony over the invading Mongols by way of religion (and the earlier Seljuk and the later Ottomsn Turks). Who then shall be declared master? Is there a similar European cultural hegemony over the United States, and what are the merits of the persistent complaints that it's working the other direction?

Clearly these are matters outside the scope of this paper. But any general application of power geopolitics cannot be restricted to military advantage if it is to begin to explain what appears to me to be an unprecedented world alignment. I suspect, though, that the "adapt or die" message of the paper might be applied very much beyond military advantage in this consideration.

Just some quick thoughts. More later after a thorough read.

[SunkenCiv]

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	Gods Graves Glyphs	Thanks gandalftb for the topic and indcons for the ping. "The Roman model suggests that it is possible for the United States to maintain its military advantage for centuries if it remains capable of transforming its forces before an opponent can develop counter-capabilities. Transformation coupled with strong strategic institutions is a powerful combination for an adversary to overcome." The Romans brought auxiliaries into their infrastructure, which kept potential enemies on the payroll and out of the reaving business, which was smart, and incorporating their battle tactics into the overall approach. Then, beginning with Augustus, half the Roman land forces (not counting the Praetorian Guard) were auxiliaries, and it didn't take many generations for the regular legions to fill up with ethnic groups from around Italy and the empire. The spectacular success of the Roman army was in its maintenance of the mostly fixed borders and eliminating piracy on the seven seas, all with a fairly small force (circa 260,000) out of an imperial population (at its peak) of 50,000,000, meanwhile feeding 400,000 layabouts in the capital using the bread dole. To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother, and Ernest_at_the_Beach
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[xzins]

“Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit,” says the Lord.

Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.

[ThanhPhero]

I am unfamiliar with pdf, not having used it except to read stuff on-line. Is there any way to save this besides printing it out? I am unable to print at the moment.