Medellin Executed For Rape, Murder of Houston Teens

Houston Chronicle ^ | 5 August 2008 | ALLAN TURNER and ROSANNA RUIZ

[Lurker]

Medellin Execute For Rape, Murder of Houston Teens

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[mkjessup]

it is sinful to HOPE that anyone is in Hell.

How about Satan? Is it allowed to hope that he is Hell and will stay there until he gets upgraded to the exclusive 'Lake of Fire' Golf and Country Club at the end of recorded human history?

The fact is, NObody knows who goes where at the end of their life except Almighty God Himself. But we can form some pretty solid conclusions about the eternal destination of a person based upon their words and actions while in this life. As Christians, we are all expected to pray for those who are clearly lost, but hoping that someone goes to Hell based upon their wicked deeds may not be very Christ-like, but it reflects a desire to see Justice done, and to see the kind of Justice that is perfect and emanates ONLY from the King of kings, Lord of lords, *and* Judge of judges.

Are you telling me Arthur, that you think it is sinful for us to hope that the 9/11 hijackers that murdered thousands of our fellow citizens, are burning in Hell even now? They rejected Jesus Christ when they chose to follow the moon god 'allah' and embrace the (har har) 'religion of peace', aka Islam.

I find your Hitler-insanity defense quite fascinating, I would dearly love to watch you take on the mantle of a defense lawyer and try to get der Fuehrer a reduced sentence, or at least a pitcher of ice water for those hot days and nights. I would pay good money to watch that show.

Seriously now, don't get me wrong here, I am in fact a strong advocate for prison inmates. I have known more than a few after working in a ministry that helped to reintegrate prison inmates into society. And even among those inmates, almost to a man, they would say that there are some criminals that not only should be executed in the most painful way possible (based on how they murdered their victims), but should definitely burn in Hell.

If the condemned are able to find Salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ, I'm certainly not going to curse that glorious event, the angels sing for every soul that is saved.

But if a monstrous criminal rejects the Salvation that my Lord Jesus freely provided for them, for me, for you up upon the Cross, he is no friend of mine, he has cast his lot with the enemy, and if he ends up in Hell, that is his choice and I will celebrate the perfect Justice that put him there.

Should I condemn my Lord's Divine Wisdom in such a matter?

I say absolutely not.

[Arthur McGowan]

I don’t hope that the 9/11 hijackers are in Hell. I suspect that they are. And if they had committed the same crime, in a manner that allowed them to survive, I think they should have been executed. I’m not for wimpy earthly responses to vicious criminals.

But the eternal destiny of a person is on an entirely different plane. It is up to God, whose judgment is certainly just.

I don’t have much doubt—not really any doubt—that Hitler is in Hell. But I am not talking about what is probable, or what is a moral certainty—that Hitler is in Hell. I am talking about WANTING Hitler to be in Hell. That is equivalent to hating Hitler. And hating anyone is sinful.

Now, once the world ends, and everyone is either in Heaven or in Hell, then everyone will know, and God’s final judgments will be thoroughly understood, and their perfect justice will be evident. The blessed in Heaven will not be saddened by the presence of other peoplel in Hell—even their friends and family—because they will know, fully, the hatred and evil that was chosen by those who went to Hell.

But we don’t have that knowledge NOW. We are obliged to withhold judgment—not judgment about what kinds of behavior are good and evil—but about the precise state of the souls of other people.

There is, I believe, a Mafia custom of hiring a prostitute and sending her to a rival, then shooting the victim after he has fornicated with the prostitute—in order to make sure that he goes to Hell. Even though this custom is based in a certain way of understanding Christian belief, I don’t think that this custom can be reconciled with the attitudes that Christians ought to have.

[SoldierDad]

You, then, must hold a great many FReepers in low esteem.

[Arthur McGowan]

I think you need to learn some sound theology. Jesus taught that we are to love everyone and hate no one. Rejoicing at the prospect of someone’s going to Hell is hate.

[yazdankurd]

But we can be more than half-full grateful that the Roberts Court this week decided 6-3 for American sovereignty in the Medellin v. Texas decision. In 1993, Jose Medellin, an illegal Mexican immigrant, raped and murdered two teenage girls in Houston, for which he was sentenced to death by a Texas jury.

Then the government of Mexico and Medellin’s shyster lawyers began arguing the verdict should be set aside because he wasn’t told of his supposed right (via a treaty, not any US law) to talk to the Mexican consulate at the time of his arrest. The International Court of Justice ruled in Mexico’s favor. The Supreme Court ruled on Monday (3/24) that the sovereign state court of Texas could ignore the ICJ ruling.

Liberals bleated that it was a “disgraceful defeat for international law,” but it really was a defeat for Condi Rice, who sweet-talked the President into signing an Executive Order demanding Texas enforce the ICJ ruling. The Supreme Court’s decision voided that EO. For Condi, “repairing damaged relations with the international community” by siding with the ICJ was more important than the sovereignty of American law.

Condi lost, the libs lost, our sovereignty won, and Jose Medellin will die as he deserves by lethal injection. Good news all the way around.

Jack Wheeler
tothepointnews.com

[SoldierDad]

Sorry, don’t need a lesson on theology from you. I also do not need to explain my self or my belief system to you either. We will agree to disagree with respect to my feelings about this person and his fate.

[Arthur McGowan]

But the rule remains: If you express a view in public, you are inviting comment on it. That’s America.

[SoldierDad]

Knock yourself out.

[Arthur McGowan]

Next time you say you hope somebody goes to hell, I will.

[SoldierDad]

Let’s get it straight. I said, and I quote, “burn in Hell”, not “go to Hell”. There’s a difference. Subtle maybe, but still a difference. If you think that man is elsewhere I’m not the one in need of a lesson on Theology. Just FYI, I will no longer respond to your posts to me as there is nothing we have to discuss between us.

[Arthur McGowan]

I think I see the distinction. You are sure he is in hell, and are glad he is in hell. As opposed to not knowing whether or not he is in hell, but hoping he is.

I would dispute the tacit premise that, in order to preserve the moral truth that rape/murder is wrong, one must either assume or hope that those who commit those crimes are going to hell. I would agree that rapists and murderers who die unrepentant will go to hell. But I would also say that a Christian is obligated to hope that people repent of their sins before death.