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Hocndoc, there’s simply no reason for me to participate on your thread. I don’t buy the CPS/LE party line down there. And that’s sad to say. I agree things need to be done, but at each step of the way, it has seemed to me that the focus was on the wrong people.

One fix sees all kids pulled out, separated from parents or the adults they were used to.

The next fix deals with removing the kids again, because the men had access.

Now, if I address what I see as problematic and suggest the men be removed, I’m the focus.

It’s pointless for me to come to this thread and explain why I believe what I do. What I say is mostly ignored.

I spent literally hours the other day discussing the issue of removing the men from the ranch. The person I was talking to fought me every step of the way on that issue. And yet after hours of discussion he finally admitted he thought it was a good idea too.

Yes, it was a good idea from the get go, but trying to get folks on this thread to agree with that was next to impossible. Instead we had to argue about it for hours.

All the while, I’m considered to be fronting for the FLDS adults.

I appreciate the information you have posted. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you were trying to communicate with the best of intentions. I’m not going to participate any more on this thread.

As a general rule, nobody on these threads wants to hear anything that might be different than what CPS or LE has determined to do. And that’s just not an environment I want to try to converse in.

I agree that something needs to be done. I don’t like the situation at all. I’m not convinced CPS, LE, or the local court has a lick of sense down there. And whether that is true or not, folks are real willing to discuss the matter honestly, at least from what I have experienced on the thread.

Take care.

“H there’s simply no reason for me to participate on your thread.”

Yes there is. You might have other good ideas to contribute.

“I agree things need to be done, but at each step of the way, it has seemed to me that the focus was on the wrong people.”

You mean the men. The CPS returning the children while requiring the women keep the children away from the men, is technically the same thing as your ‘blanket TRO’.

You said the responsibility for that should have been on CPS and not the women, and that is a good point. After all, it did lead to this problem with the women refusing to sign.

“The next fix deals with removing the kids again, because the men had access.”

Because the women refused to sign the agreement. No one knows if the men had access, or whether the women planned to allow access. According to the post by Alice, the women state they planned to follow the agreement, but just didn’t want to sign it.

“Now, if I address what I see as problematic and suggest the men be removed, I’m the focus.”

Your idea was the focus, not you. You wanted to turn it personal, because your idea wasn’t fully accepted.

“It’s pointless for me to come to this thread and explain why I believe what I do. What I say is mostly ignored.”

It wasn’t ignored. But, just because you said it, doesn’t mean everyone is bound to agree with it.

“And yet after hours of discussion he finally admitted he thought it was a good idea too.”

A GOOD IDEA, yes. But practical and legal implementation of the idea? That is the hard part. When CPS goes to a home to investigate claims of child abuse, they almost always remove the child, or children, and rarely remove the adults.

They have legal standing and authority to remove the children. If you want to argue about the blanket TRO, then you should address the Judge, not CPS.

“Yes, it was a good idea from the get go, but trying to get folks on this thread to agree with that was next to impossible. “

Again, good idea, but lacking in practical implementation.
Your answer was, “they just should have done it”.

Should they have removed the men who lived in monogamous families, and didn’t have underaged wives?

“All the while, I’m considered to be fronting for the FLDS adults.”

Only in your own mind. I never saw anyone make a remark to that effect.

“I’m not going to participate any more on this thread.”

That’s a shame. I still think you had a good idea, and would like to know exactly how it could have been done.

“As a general rule, nobody on these threads wants to hear anything that might be different than what CPS or LE has determined to do.”

Just because everyone wouldn’t agree with the one idea you came up with, you judge the whole of FR posters on the FLDS threads in a negative light, including others who might even agree with you.

To use your own words, “you are acting like a baby.”

“And whether that is true or not, folks are (not) real willing to discuss the matter honestly, at least from what I have experienced on the thread.”

People pointed out the problems involved with your idea, even though they may have thought it had merit, and therefore were just being honest with you. You don’t seem to be happy with that. Instead you want everyone to just blindly agree with your ideas.

So, where does the blame for all this really lie?