Posted on 08/05/2008 7:20:42 AM PDT by pissant
Independent analysts, working separately, have discovered that the original Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth used in the fabrication of the Barack Obama "birth certificate" belongs to the Presidential candidate's younger half-sister, Maya.
Examining the high resolution image originally posted by the "Daily Kos" left-wing blog and subsequently claimed as authentic by the campaign, and posted in lower resolution on the campaign official "Fight the Smears" website, at least two analysts have been able to independently discern the name "Maya Kassandra Soetoro" from artifacts left behind in the process of forging a new fake document for Barack from an image of Maya's original document. Additional confirmatory information, such as her birthday and the nationality of her father have also been resurrected. A full report documenting all details is to be published in the coming days.
The dramatic development comes just a day after a forensic specialist, posting on the Texas Darling blog under the name Techdude (his real name is known to Israel Insider), announced the discovery of the identity of the original owner of the COLB document used in the forgery but would initially only indicate that it was a woman born in the 1970's. However, he provided enough clues to enable another graphic specialist (screen name KG) to independently reproduce the incriminating evidence. (Techdude had said that he wanted to give the guilty parties time to confess to the forgery, but also to allow independent confirmation of his discovery. He even offered to pay for a trip to Vegas to the first person to discover the name and detail the method by which it was discovered.)
According to Texas Darling, which exclusively published these latest revelations, there is more to come: "In the coming days, Techdude will provide a final report that fully discloses his discovery, and provides all the fancy technical data, images, formulae etc. that everyone has come to expect. He will respond to questions posted on this blog to the best of his ability. (NOTE: KG has asked Techdude to donate the trip funds to help retire Hillary's debt, and Techdude has agreed.)" In the meantime, KG has posted details on how artifacts of the name "Maya Kassandra Soetero" were discerned.
The revelation that the COLB of Obama's own sister was evidently used to create the electronic forgery represents a "smoking gun" that appears to implicate Senator Obama directly. Hawaii law limits access to vital records to family members only, a fact which slowed down the ability of researchers to compare the purported Obama "birth certificate" -- which displayed from the start a peculiar provenance and inexplicable features -- to genuine specimens. Therefore, it would seem that either Maya K. Soetoro-Ng (as she is now called) supplied the document or its image to half-brother Barack or his campaign, or Obama/his campaign used it without her permission.
It appears unlikely, to say the least, that the campaign would have independently managed to obtain Maya's COLB, forged Barak's fake COLB using Maya's original, and verified the result as genuine without the candidate's knowledge and involvement. This is particularly true given the high profile treatment with which the campaign has treated the purported veracity of the supposed "birth certificate" in its Fight the Smears website. The apparent use of the Soetero document increases the likelihood of direct Obama involvement in the supply, production, and/or propagation of the forgery.
The stakes couldn't be higher. Even the Snopes anti-rumor site acknowledges that Obama's constitutional fitness to be president depends solely on his being born in the United States, because his mother -- not yet 19 at the time of his birth -- would not have had a sufficient number of years as an adult citizen, according to the laws prevailing at the time, to pass on "natural born citizenship" automatically.
There have been reports, so far unconfirmed, that Obama was born outside the country, either in Kenya, his presumed father's native land, or in Canada. The fact that the Obama campaign has been touting as genuine a forgery since June 12 will likely increase pressure to not only account for the fake but produce a genuine paper birth certificate. Obama, in his book Dreams from My Father, specifically mentioned having such a document in his possession, but it has not been submitted for public inspection or analysis if it in fact exists.
Intriguingly, too, Maya Soetoro-Ng is believed to have been born outside the United States, in Indonesia, so her apparent ownership of a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth raises questions about how such a document was produced for an Indonesian-born girl. That, too, may shed light on Barack Obama's citizenship status and his ability, or inability, to document it.
Ironically, but perhaps not coincidentally, the Obama campaign has challenged the credentials of Republican opponent John McCain, because he makes no secret of being born out of the country, in Panama. But both of McCain's parents were Americans so, unlike Obama, are by statute able to pass on natural born citizen status to their foreign-born child.
I am just wondering, if a person is born at home, how is a birth certificate issued. I know with a hospital birth, the hospital takes care of the COLB. If the person is born at home does the parent request it?
If so, what was to stop Obama’s mother / grandparents from requesting a Hawaii birth certificiate for him even though he was born in another country.
Along those same lines, this may be how Maya got a Hawaii birth certificate.
I know that my husband was born in another country and was also born at home. His parents had to register him within 10 days of his birth. If this was the case in Hawaii, there was plenty of time to fly in from somewhere else and register a baby as being born in Hawaii.
Maybe. It could also be that the Clintons are positioning their thumb on his jugular so he will have to accept her on the ticket.
If he accepts, this all goes away and everyone agrees that the charges were phony from the beginning.
If he doesn't accept, the pressure increases until he does.
If true, he should be charged with fraud, and for signing his name to a legal document he knew contained false statements. That would be soooo rich!
I wonder how difficult it would be to check out passport records. Or to dig up witnesses in either of those places.
Any thoughts?
You people are so blind and stupid on this matter! It has yielded a ton of "fruit". Go to the Hillary websites and see what the Hillary voters are saying!!! This is one more big reason why they will not vote for the Empty Suit come Novemeber. Most say they will vote for McCain. So please, stop with the mindless ignorant chanting that this is all futile.
Also there is nothing legal that can be undertaken until the haloed one is the nominee and the state Democrat parties present their slates of electors to each state's sec. of state. So unless there is irrefutable proof before the convention this will have no effect on the haloed one, as I don't think the GOP will touch the issue without the same irrefutable evidence.
As I understand the law, a child that is born to an American citizen while abroad is not a “Natural-born” (IOW born in the USA). Exceptions are for children born to Americans abroad on US government business (military and diplomats). Furthermore, if one of the child's parents is a foreigner, the American parent MUST have resided in the USA for at least 5 continuous years after age 14, in order for the child to have a claim to ANY US citizenship.
IF ( and I think obama was probably born in Hawaii) he was born in another country, his mother was only 18 or 19 and therefore could not pass on citizenship.
The Constitution requires the President to be a "natural-born" American.
I’m suprised the Clinton’s with all their power cannot uncover the truth in this matter? Do they have it and are waiting for the proper time?
Rush has probably read the story. He won’t report on it now for sure. The closest he is going to get to it is Bill Clinton’s statement to ABC.
“I think everybody’s got a right to run for president who qualifies under the Constitution.” - Clinton
I watched BJC last night and had the feeling that something was up. He’s furious about the crappy treatment Hil got from the press, as well he should be. But what he didn’t say was even more fascinating. I look forward to Fox’s upcoming feature. Any idea when it will air?
Down with Obama!
No, I think there is a revised birth certificate out there with Barry Soreoto as the name he went to school under in Indonesia. As the son of his stepfather.
That is what needs to be found.
"I'm not a real American citizen, but I play one on TV."
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The closet Muslim is about to crash, thank GOD.
That’s what one official said, but one person in the graphics department said “they wouldn’t print anything like this”. Now I’m not a tech person, so I probably wouldn’t notice anything about something printed or scanned. (Although it looks like nothing I’ve ever seen scanned before) But you would think the person in the state government that handles their computers would know.
Of course I am taking the word of someone else.
I agree 100%!
That's CHANGE you CAN'T believe in!
If this is about making Hillary voters less likely to support Obama, that's fine with me.
But if people really believe that this is the silver bullet that will get Obama out of the election, I think that is wishful thinking.
It’s the same mother. Maya is Barack’s sister by his mother and adoptive Indonesian father. Now I don’t know how or why she would or could get a birth certificate in Hawaii if born in Indonesia. Unless Ann wanted her to be American so she could see her grandparents in Hawaii. But with Ann being married to an Indonesian (thus being Indonesian as Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenships except in very special circumstance), she would have to have had an American COLB to enter the US. Without a visa anyway.
Thank you for that valuable resource.
But his father was a citizen, that is the difference here.
Obama’s father was not a citizen. You said the candidate had two American citizens as parents. And I would assume both were over 21? Therefore the ruling Sloth found wouldn’t apply to them.
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