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To: Gumdrop

[I looked it up. Here’s part of Obama’s ‘Sermon Speech’]

Moreover, given the increasing diversity of America’s population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.

And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson’s, or Al Sharpton’s? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it’s doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let’s read our bibles. Folks haven’t been reading their bibles.

This brings me to my second point. Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.

Now this is going to be difficult for some who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, as many evangelicals do. But in a pluralistic democracy, we have no choice. Politics depends on our ability to persuade each other of common aims based on a common reality. It involves the compromise, the art of what’s possible. At some fundamental level, religion does not allow for compromise. It’s the art of the impossible. If God has spoken, then followers are expected to live up to God’s edicts, regardless of the consequences. To base one’s life on such uncompromising commitments may be sublime, but to base our policy making on such commitments would be a dangerous thing. And if you doubt that, let me give you an example.

We all know the story of Abraham and Isaac. Abraham is ordered by God to offer up his only son, and without argument, he takes Isaac to the mountaintop, binds him to an altar, and raises his knife, prepared to act as God has commanded.

Of course, in the end God sends down an angel to intercede at the very last minute, and Abraham passes God’s test of devotion.

But it’s fair to say that if any of us leaving this church saw Abraham on a roof of a building raising his knife, we would, at the very least, call the police and expect the Department of Children and Family Services to take Isaac away from Abraham. We would do so because we do not hear what Abraham hears, do not see what Abraham sees, true as those experiences may be. So the best we can do is act in accordance with those things that we all see, and that we all hear, be it common laws or basic reason.

Finally, any reconciliation between faith and democratic pluralism requires some sense of proportion.

This goes for both sides.

Even those who claim the Bible’s inerrancy make distinctions between Scriptural edicts, sensing that some passages - the Ten Commandments, say, or a belief in Christ’s divinity - are central to Christian faith, while others are more culturally specific and may be modified to accommodate modern life.

The American people intuitively understand this, which is why the majority of Catholics practice birth control and some of those opposed to gay marriage nevertheless are opposed to a Constitutional amendment to ban it. Religious leadership need not accept such wisdom in counseling their flocks, but they should recognize this wisdom in their politics.

But a sense of proportion should also guide those who police the boundaries between church and state. Not every mention of God in public is a breach to the wall of separation - context matters ...”

http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060628-call_to_renewal/


19 posted on 08/05/2008 4:23:17 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (The Dum-bama Banking Committee offers free breathalysers and inhilators for asthmatics in 58 states.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Speaking of not reading their Bibles, maybe BHO should. God did not “send down an angel” to intervene at the last moment with Abraham and Isaac. If you’re going to lecture someone on something, you’d better make darn sure you have it right yourself. What a pontificating overblown arrogant empty suit — how dare he lecture me on religion!

Also, it’s clear that he does not believe in the inerrancy of the Bible.


25 posted on 08/05/2008 4:50:18 AM PDT by ScreamingGreenAlienGorilla (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools?

Where does he come up with such an idea? This sounds like projection. Of course the only faith that actually practices such ideas... is Islam.

29 posted on 08/05/2008 5:13:47 AM PDT by ikka
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Remember that there’s a difference between inerrancy and literalism. The Scripture is always right, but maybe it does not address the concern we would like. The Bible is inspired by God to uplift man into a closer communion with Him, not to be a literal history in all cases.
We do not presume to say it was all dictated verbatim by God’s messenger. Only two religions do that.


37 posted on 08/05/2008 6:43:35 AM PDT by steve8714 (Curtis Strange ruined a man better than himself.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; Jeff Head; PhilDragoo; Beckwith

Thanks for saving and posting this.

You might consider putting this on your home page and refer to it whenever, Obama, the Oreo CINO tries to convince us how Christian he is.


39 posted on 08/05/2008 8:25:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Obama, the Oreo CINO, wants special-ed treatment as our untouchable affirmative action candidate)
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