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McCain gets loud welcome at Sturgis bike rally (prefers Harley roars to Berliner cheers)
MSNBC ^ | August 4, 2008 | AP

Posted on 08/05/2008 12:40:08 AM PDT by SolidWood

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To: AmericanInTokyo

Since you claim you are anti-appeasement, wouldn’t you rather see McCain win than Obama? Since one of these two will win, which one would you rather see win?


81 posted on 08/05/2008 6:26:22 AM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Why a conservative would waste a good vote on McCain is beyond me.

I can see that. The answer is simple. To me, conservatism has a lot to do with common sense, and being mature enough to make hard choices, even when they don't feeeeeel good. A rational acceptance of reality is also helpful. With those things in mind, the choice is amazingly easy to make.

The guy is going to get his clocked cleaned by Obambi seven ways to Sunday

You hope he does. You betray yourself though. You want to be "liberated" from making a real choice, so you convince yourself it's a fait accompli. That way, you can vote for what makes you feel good, with no regard for consequences. Problem for you is that McCain and Obama are in a tight race, and our votes WILL have consequences. But you give yourself away by saying you believe it's ok to vote for a nobody because the outcome is already certain. No--it isn't. You're not off the hook. Sorry.

At least one will know that one's vote registered on the meter as being a Conservative, and not a liberal Republican.

Like most third party voters, you are choosing to do what feels good to you, rather than make a substantive choice.

You are not worried about it (by your words at least) but over in the Eisenhower Building, I can assure you they are certainly worried about independent Conservatives

They may be worried about the 3-5% that may vote for a loser party. That makes sense. They need all the votes they can get. Again you betray yourself. They are worried about this tiny voting block because it's a tight race, despite your delusions to the contrary. But no one is worried about a third party winning, because it's not going to happen.

It's going to be a tight race. Every vote counts. In my view, real conservatives will have the guts to make the right choice. Those who would rather feel good and eat candy can sit at the kids' table while the adults eat their vegetables. Nothing new here.

82 posted on 08/05/2008 6:27:08 AM PDT by Huck (A Teddy Roosevelt wannabe is better than a Che Guevara wannabe.)
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To: w1andsodidwe

I see your point, but I dont share it. Fine. That is your conclusion. I will respect that. I reached different conclusions. I dont question your motives.


83 posted on 08/05/2008 6:27:38 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote 3rd Party Conservative?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
video link

Thanks for the link, MoveOn.org is pretty reliable for its political information......Your provided link also a good source for one to pick up an Obama bumper sticker with no strings attached......

84 posted on 08/05/2008 6:27:55 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: AmericanInTokyo

“(Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote 3rd Party Conservative?)”

Who is this magical 3’rd Party Conservative that you speak of? Aren’t you supporting that defeatist Bob Barr?


85 posted on 08/05/2008 6:28:38 AM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: death2tyrants
Since my choice is not limited to either of these two, I will not chose, they are both LIBERALS and mark my word, this country is going to go down the tubes with either of them at the helm.

90% of Free Republic felt this way six months ago. I did not change. Did FR? Did Scarface?

I wont indulge in situation-ethics-based mental mission creep, out of fear of Obama, lying sack of ____ he is himself.

86 posted on 08/05/2008 6:30:14 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote 3rd Party Conservative?)
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To: McGruff

I will be voting against Obama as well.


87 posted on 08/05/2008 6:30:45 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote 3rd Party Conservative?)
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To: SolidWood

He needs to inflate that tire.....


88 posted on 08/05/2008 6:31:40 AM PDT by Mr Inviso
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To: NCC-1701

But they WILL donate illegally to Obama. That has already been shown (Campaign Finance Corruption)


89 posted on 08/05/2008 6:32:00 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote 3rd Party Conservative?)
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To: Huck

You write very well for yourself.


90 posted on 08/05/2008 6:34:07 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote 3rd Party Conservative?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Hey bud—non illegimati carborundum, OK?

Some people can’t handle the truth. It is so much easier to join the RINO bandwagon and justify it because there is a bogeyman in the race. You know, like in 1992, 1996, 2000, and 2004. So many bogeymen, so little time.

No one wants to confront the fact that both Obama and McCain are for amnesty and for cap and trade. Those two things together will destroy this nation. All else will become incidental.

But, hey, that requires thought and analysis, and heart searching. And courage to oppose the headlong mass of the lemmings.

Congress will be the only thing on earth that can restrain either of these two numbnuts. That’s where my efforts will lie and that’s where our only hope remains.And it isn’t looking too good there, either.

Like in the case of Ahnold in California, there will be wailing and knashing of teeth here aplenty when Juan McCain reveals his inner maverick should he become President.

A tiger does not change his stripes.

Oh, and one other thing. You are right about the POW/MIA issue. We know we left 600 POWs behind in 1973. They were held as insurance for the $ 4 billion in reparations the North Vietnamese demanded to end the war. Nixon and Kissinger could not get that approved by Congress, so they were kept by North Vietnam, There were 14,000 reported sightings of these men in Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam, reports of their call signs marked in the ground, trees, etc.

But hey, with multi-million dollar deals in the balance, McCain had to quash the peristence of the POW/MIA families.
He and his good friend, the traitor John Kerry, made short work of that. And they call Obama the Manchurian Candidate.

Well, facts are facts. We’ll be called loons, nuts, Obama supporters, kooks,Commie lovers, whatever—but you know, who gives fig? Let’s all vote for the Republican who almost defected to the Dems in 2001. You know, the one that pushed for unlimited amnesty, not once, but twice in 2007. The one who is on record as telling Hispanics comprehensive immigration reform” (unlimited amnesty and chain migration) will be done in his first 100 days in office. That one.

I can’t play the support-the-RINO-who-is-really-a-Liberal-Democrat game anymore.


91 posted on 08/05/2008 6:34:11 AM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve--and they are about to get it --in spades.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
90% of Free Republic felt this way six months ago.

That was before all the non-conservative yet Republican trolls moved in, believing that Republican and conservative are inseparable, and thus, if you don't kowtow to them, you are not conservative.

92 posted on 08/05/2008 6:34:53 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: calcowgirl
Like in the case of Ahnold in California, there will be wailing and knashing of teeth here aplenty when Juan McCain reveals his inner maverick should he become President.

Arnold the RINO ping.

93 posted on 08/05/2008 6:36:17 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: death2tyrants
For me, it is, much like drinking beer, i.e. the process of elimination. I have already eliminated both Scarface and Osama as recipients of my vote.

I am open to the conservative options, yes, in the race who are getting ballot qualified as we speak, raising money, what not, as alternatives to the two liberals running.

PS What's it like voting for a RINO? Is it kind of a strange feeling? I would imagine it to be rather funky.

94 posted on 08/05/2008 6:37:14 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote 3rd Party Conservative?)
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To: Ben Reyes
Can anyone picture Obama addressing this crowd? I can’t.

I certainly hope all those bikers had their tires properly inflated.

95 posted on 08/05/2008 6:38:15 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

This doesn’t answer my question. Since either Obama or McCain will win, which one would you rather see win? Why are you afraid to answer this simple question?


96 posted on 08/05/2008 6:39:27 AM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: exit82
PLEASE! Dont confuse us with facts!

We are a RINO forum now, didn't you get the memo?

We are all supposed to fall in line now from the dictates from the RNC, like good widdle Republicans and Republicanettes.

Bring on the photos of Cindy! Won't she just make a daaaaarling First Lady? barf

97 posted on 08/05/2008 6:41:24 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote 3rd Party Conservative?)
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To: death2tyrants; AmericanInTokyo
This doesn’t answer my question. Since either Obama or McCain will win, which one would you rather see win?

Let's see. An Obama win is like getting strangled by an anaconda, while a McCain win is like getting infected with AIDS in a third-world rathole.

Either way, you are totally screwed.

98 posted on 08/05/2008 6:43:41 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

You mentioned a 3’rd party conservative. Who are you referring to?


99 posted on 08/05/2008 6:44:00 AM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: death2tyrants
I do not prefer either of those liberals who will ruin this country, with Mass-Amnesty for starters.

That is the answer I will give.

It is not the answer you want.

It is the answer you will get.

Come talk to me if my state only ends up having a choice Electors for Democrat and Electors for Republican on the ballot in November.

100 posted on 08/05/2008 6:45:06 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote 3rd Party Conservative?)
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