Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Not much for characterizing catalysts as "green", but if true this would be something to watch (not sure if PV will be the big application eventually, though).
1 posted on 07/31/2008 5:48:39 PM PDT by sionnsar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: sionnsar

But, but, but I thought it was impossible. How can it be?


2 posted on 07/31/2008 6:16:23 PM PDT by sagar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: sionnsar
A liquid catalyst was added to water before electrolysis to achieve what the researchers claim is almost 100-percent efficiency.

IOW ...a perpetual motion device. YUP!

3 posted on 07/31/2008 6:23:25 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: sionnsar

This is a poorly written article. It’s very difficult to figure out what they have done that hasn’t been done before.


5 posted on 07/31/2008 6:30:18 PM PDT by 1955Ford
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: sionnsar

We gotta let it out


8 posted on 07/31/2008 6:55:54 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Salvation

Ore. ping


9 posted on 07/31/2008 7:25:20 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: sionnsar

Too many unanswered questions. Smacks of University of Utah’s cold fusion.

Article is worthless.


11 posted on 07/31/2008 7:39:27 PM PDT by TFMcGuire (Either you are an American, or you are a liberal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: sionnsar
not sure if PV will be the big application eventually, though

I don't know why but they sure are making a big deal about using this with PV. That's what makes me suspicious. It would be very beneficial to make it easier to split water on a huge scale with electricity from any source.

I wonder if this is any better than the large solar collectors that use molten salt to store energy.

12 posted on 07/31/2008 7:59:55 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Uncledave

for the renewable energy ping list


13 posted on 07/31/2008 8:01:40 PM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: sionnsar
By combining the two, excess capacity during the day could be stored as hydrogen and oxygen, then used in fuel cells at night when needed.

I usually don't see photovoltaics used with the phrase "excess capacity."

14 posted on 07/31/2008 8:01:56 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: sionnsar
Not much for characterizing catalysts as "green", but if true this would be something to watch (not sure if PV will be the big application eventually, though).

IMHO, I think you have it backwards. Wikipedia has a decent discussion of catalysis and catalysts. Catalysts just lower the energy of activation to get a reaction going forward. Photovoltaic cells capture the sun's free energy. Generating hydrogen from the electrolysis of water captures the energy for storage it in the form of hydrogen. It's just a storage medium. How you apply it is different. You lose energy anytime you convert it from one form to another according to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, IIRC. It will be lost as heat, so you may want to use the electricity from the PV cell as directly as possible, storing excess power as hydrogen.

15 posted on 07/31/2008 8:06:56 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SirKit

Whaddya think?


16 posted on 07/31/2008 8:12:12 PM PDT by SuziQ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: sionnsar
Here's a link to the abstract: In Situ Formation of an Oxygen-Evolving Catalyst in Neutral Water Containing Phosphate and Co2+
18 posted on 07/31/2008 8:27:15 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: sionnsar
Researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have combined a liquid catalyst with photovoltaic cells to achieve what they claim is a solar energy system that could generate electricity around the clock...with enough energy to power your typical iPod......
19 posted on 07/31/2008 9:19:38 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: neverdem; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Ping!
20 posted on 08/01/2008 12:29:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: RedStateRocker; Dementon; eraser2005; Calpernia; DTogo; Maelstrom; Yehuda; babble-on; ...
Renewable Energy Ping

Please Freep Mail me if you'd like on/off

25 posted on 08/01/2008 5:49:41 AM PDT by Uncledave (Zombie Reagan '08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: sionnsar
Researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Ever since the "Scientists" at most universities have been pushing Global Warming as a FACT, I don't trust what they say.

I need more evidence from these researchers before I even believe they are telling the truth.

27 posted on 08/01/2008 6:45:01 AM PDT by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson