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Carrier's top officers relieved of duties (on USS George Washington)
UPI.com ^ | 31 Jul 08

Posted on 07/31/2008 5:38:17 AM PDT by xzins

SAN DIEGO, July 31 (UPI) -- A $70 million fire on the nuclear-powered U.S. aircraft carrier George Washington left its top two officers stripped of their duties, officials said Wednesday.

Adm. Robert F. Willard, commander of the Navy's Pacific Fleet, directed the skipper, Capt. David C. Cykhoff, and his executive officer, Capt. David M. Dober, be relieved of their command, Navy Times reported.

Dykhoff was fired for "loss of confidence in his ability to command and his failure to meet mission requirements and readiness standards," Navy officials said in a statement. Dober was ousted for "substandard performance."

Two months ago, while the George Washington was at sea, a fire burned through 80 spaces aboard the ship. An investigation revealed the fire was started when unauthorized smoking ignited improperly stowed flammables nearby, the Times said.

Now docked in San Diego, the carrier is to leave for Japan Aug. 21.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carrier; navair; navy; pufflist; smokinglampnotlit; uasmokers; usn; ussgeorgewashington
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To: Pistolshot
Unfortunately, some dumb@ss on a lower deck can be the cause of him to lose his command.

...or cause his promotion. That's how it works.

41 posted on 07/31/2008 6:56:01 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If given a choice between a POW and a POS, I'll take the POW.)
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To: Ronin

agreed! The breakdown in discipline in this case is systemic. The flamables should be constantly secured, the lack of training that allowed 80 spaces to burn.


42 posted on 07/31/2008 6:56:30 AM PDT by mpackard (Proud mama of a Sailor.)
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To: xzins

59,953 for a O-6 at 23. Source: http://www.defenselink.mil/militarypay/mpcalcs/Calculators/FinalPayHigh3.aspx?calcType=final


43 posted on 07/31/2008 6:57:45 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: MinuteGal

After 30 years service you can retire with 75% of your monthly pay and full medical for life. Now the basic pay for an O-6 is currently about $9550.00 a month. So 75% of that would be about $6,700.00 a month. Not too bad.


44 posted on 07/31/2008 6:57:59 AM PDT by skimask (Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: xzins

maybe mayor bloomberg should be the captain of that ship. he certainly knows how to snuff out smokers...


45 posted on 07/31/2008 6:58:38 AM PDT by thefactor (contributing nothing of value to threads since 2001...)
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To: xzins
Unauthorized smoking on their ship meant someone didn’t take them seriously enough.

bingo.

It's better to be feared than loved....... always.

Love is held by a chain of obligation which, men being selfish is broken whenever is serves their purpose.

While fear is maintained by a dread of punishment that never fails.

I liked that Machiavelli guy.... nice book.

46 posted on 07/31/2008 6:58:44 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: iopscusa

There are indeed designated smoking areas and the “smoking light” is on or off depending on conditions aboard.


47 posted on 07/31/2008 7:00:17 AM PDT by mpackard (Proud mama of a Sailor.)
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To: Gamecock

In the neighborhood of what I figured.

If an 0-4 is at about the 12 year mark, 0-5 is at the 16 year mark, then 0-6 should be at about 20, shouldn’t it?


48 posted on 07/31/2008 7:07:35 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins

O-6 due course in the Army is 22.

I think the Navy is a bit faster. Also if someone is commanding a carrier I would suspect he migh have hit BZ at least one. But I’m just a medical puke. What do I know?


49 posted on 07/31/2008 7:10:38 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: WayneS

They should have been zig-zagging!


50 posted on 07/31/2008 7:13:40 AM PDT by sailor4321
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To: Gamecock

Good info. One would think that only the elite get to command carriers.


51 posted on 07/31/2008 7:15:41 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Ronin; bioqubit

Thank you for your insight.

I think the worst part, as Ronin mentioned, is that it is a serious blow, whether deserved or not, to US Navy reputation in the world.

For better or worse, the U.S. military exists as a force for deterrence. That deterrence is partly due to the technical and numerical superiority of our weapons systems, but mostly its due to the percieved effectiveness of the men and women operating them and the leadership in place to keep that effectiveness at a high level.

This incident calls that effectiveness into question to some degree, which is unfortunate. Every naval vessel is important, but this is one of the pinnacles of the U.S. Navy. A potential adversary is going to look at this incident and consider - if a carrier is this poorly managed, then maybe we won’t fair so badly against a smaller vessel. That kind of thinking by our enemies is dangerous to us and the world.


52 posted on 07/31/2008 7:22:51 AM PDT by chrisser (The Two Americas: Those that want to be coddled, Those that want to be left the hell alone.)
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To: CholeraJoe

That wouldn’t have been General “gunfighter” “6 mile run everyday” Emerson would it of the 2nd Infantry?


53 posted on 07/31/2008 7:23:55 AM PDT by eastforker (Get-R-Done and then Bring-Em- Home)
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To: eastforker

No. It was a USAF general whose name I’ve forgotten.


54 posted on 07/31/2008 7:33:42 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("I ain't freaking, I ain't faking it. Shu' up and let me go!")
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To: xzins
In a different climate, perhaps a heavy dose of fear would’ve prevented those smokers from ever even thinking about lighting up.

Or the dumbshit possibly non-smoker from stowing material incorrectly. If he had done his job the smoker could not have started the fire.

55 posted on 07/31/2008 8:07:54 AM PDT by Eaker (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. (H.)
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To: bioqubit
"There was a report a few months ago about how maintenance throughout the fleet has been rotting horribly in order to cut costs. Some inspectors asserted some ships on the line were not ready to fight. That should scare you."

If that's true, then there is plenty of blame to go around. When the USS Lincoln was in drydock last time, it went over schedule and a good part of the work supposedly done by contractors had to be redone by sailors aboard her because it, in fact, had been done incorrectly or not done at all!

56 posted on 07/31/2008 8:08:02 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: gridlock
So, what kind of leadership leads to smoking not stowing flammables in unauthorized spaces?

Fixed it for you.

57 posted on 07/31/2008 8:10:00 AM PDT by Eaker (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. (H.)
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To: Eaker

Nope. The smoking is the critical piece of evidence here.

If they won’t obey in the very small things — like smoking — then there are far larger problems in other places.


58 posted on 07/31/2008 8:12:22 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins
Nope. The smoking is the critical piece of evidence here.

Nope. The idiots that incorrectly stowed the materials could have incorrectly stowed the same materials in the smoking area.

It is fun to blame the smokers though so carry on.

59 posted on 07/31/2008 8:17:58 AM PDT by Eaker (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. (H.)
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To: Eaker

It’s not about the smokers.

It’s about disobeying in the small things.


60 posted on 07/31/2008 8:19:31 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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