Birth Certificate: Obama, Soetoro or Dunham

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/birth-certificate-obama-soetoro-or-dunham/ ^ | 7/30/2008 | Texas Darlin

[Uncle Chip]

Thanks for the link — very interesting

[AmericaUnited]

#2 She's in Texas. That's pretty far from the Honolulu library and/or the Honolulu Advertiser's nearest office.

I believe if you read the site, someone found it and gave it to her.

[AmericaUnited]

Here, from my browser favorites:

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/current/sp/surf

[John Valentine]

Here’s something to consider, and I speak of all this with first hand, personal knowledge of the procedure described in Hawaii, and in the specific time period in question.

Back in the 1960s, in Honolulu, the Hawaii Bureau of Vital Statistics had a policy of allowing unmarried mothers the option of not “disclosing” the name of a child’s father at the time of registering the birth.

Later, the mother could petition to have the record amended, or “regularized” in the parlance used at the time, to include the name of the “father”. Of course, the “father” named on the newly updated certificate was very often, perhaps most often, not the biological father of the child in question, but more likely the man the woman was to actually marry.

This expedited process was used to spare the time and expense of an adoption - but, strictly speaking, it involved a degree of fraud which was winked at by the authorities at the time.

It is easy for me to imagine that Ann Dunham might have declined to name Barak Obama Sr. as the father of her newly minted son at the time he was born, Obama being married to someone else at the time and all. “And all” also meaning that I have never seen any evidence that Ann Dunham and Barak Obama Sr. ever tied the knot themselves.

And, if Dunham did use this procedure for her little out-of-wedlock son, she just might have later had the name of Lolo Soetoro conveniently added to the Birth Certificate as the father of young Barry.

After all, she did marry the man and accompany him back to Indonesia. This process would have been very much eased and expedited if Soetoro were to have been named as the father of Ann Dunham’s young son.

But, it might be pretty hard to explain all this to a skeptical electorate in 2008. This theory, based in personal knowledge of the practice I describe, could explain the problem Barry has in coming up with an authentic birth certificate.

[bvw]

“Toot” is a Dutch name. There is an ancestry site out there with Obama’s lineage, it has Toot.

[bvw]

"Obama and his half-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng refer to [Madelyn] Dunham as "Toot" — short for "tutu," the Hawaiian word for grandparent." - Wikipedia

Since the Dunham's ancestors did not live in Hawaii, it seems unlikely that there was such a person as Anna Toot in their family tree.

You can not trust Wikipedia about Obama. It is not "unlikely", it is a researched fact:

233 Anna Maria Toot, b. Adams Co., Pa., ... [1786 or 1787], d. Delaware Co., Ohio, 23 Aug. 1841, bur. Radnor Cemetery, Radnor, Ohio

See http://www.wargs.com/political/obama.html

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[profanity removed]

Please learn to trust your fellow Freepers, before you put your faith in those who would deliberately confuse others, such as Wikipedia on polititcs, or "Jon Stewart", or the MSM.

[browardchad]

I suppose all that would be required to do this is to look up microfilm of the Honolulu Advertiser at a library.

Yes. If only there was a FReeper who lived nearby.

One of Pam Geller's readers got a copy of the birth announcement by calling  the Hawaii State Library and speaking to a research librarian. She sent the copy to Pam,  who posted it here at AtlasShrugs. Note that the reader says she was the second person who requested the lookup; so you could assume that whoever supplied it to Texas Darlin was the first.

Of course, if you're still skeptical, you could call the library and get a copy directly from them.

[dforest]

Well, just who the hell is he? Really.

[null and void]

based in personal knowledge of the practice I describe,

Yep. Been there, have the kid...

[null and void]

The mask of the enemy.

[ReignOfError]

Were birth records normally sealed in a second-parent adoption in the 1960s? They aren’t today. And I don’t think they were for Leslie Lynch King Jr. in the 1910s or William Jefferson Blythe in the 1940s.

[Jedidah]

I don’t know.

The difference between Obama and Ford and Clinton were that Ford and Clinton freely and fully told the stories of their childhoods, of their birth fathers, and of the men who reared them. And, in both cases, all the individuals involved were of U.S. culture.

There are just so many unanswered questions about Obama, and much of his background is of questionable ideology (Marxist parents, Indonesian childhood, communist mentor (Davis), Pakistani traveling companions in college, possible multiple citizenships, etc.) .

He has written much about his African biological father, whom he only met once post-infancy, but he has disclosed very little of the Soetoro/Indonesian years. That’s where all the questions arise.