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T. Boone Pickens' 'clean' secret
LA Times ^ | 29 July 2008 | Anthony Rubenstein

Posted on 07/29/2008 4:06:53 AM PDT by shrinkermd

Texas oil billionaire T. Boone Pickens is pushing a national campaign to make the U.S. "energy independent" through wind power and vehicles that run on natural gas. His blitz of TV ads featuring his own down-home voice has picked up a lot of admiring news coverage. To date, Pickens has yet to explain whose dime will pay for this.

Well, Californians can clarify exactly whose dime it will be: Ours. Along with being the country's biggest wind power developer, Pickens owns Clean Energy Fuels Corp., a natural gas fueling station company that is the sole backerof the stealthy Proposition 10 on California's November ballot. This measure would authorize the sale of $5 billion in general fund bonds to provide alternative energy rebates and incentives -- but by the time the principal and the interest is paid off, it would squander at least $9.8 billion in taxpayer money on Pickens' self-serving natural gas agenda

...Much of the measure's billions could benefit Pickens' company to the exclusion of almost all other clean-vehicle fuels and technology. Engines that run on compressed natural gas have a place in pollution reduction, especially for heavy trucks and public buses. But natural gas is a nonrenewable fossil fuel that we import from foreign sources, and it is no better (and in some cases worse) when it comes to emissions and fuel efficiency compared with the best hybrid cars or the new ultra-clean diesel engines. Most insidiously, Proposition 10's lavish rebates for natural gas-powered cars and trucks could crowd out superior technologies from taking root in California, the largest transportation market in the United States.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; energy; environment; enviroporfiteering; pickensplan; prop10; taxpayers; tboonepickens
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T. Boone Pickens understands California and is planning a raid on the taxpayers for personal benefit. I wonder whether the Californians will accept Proposal 10 as a unique forward looking proposal.
1 posted on 07/29/2008 4:06:53 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

I think this writer still his his panties in a wad over the Swiftboat Vets Ads. Until I read that paragraph, I was was giving this article a little credibility.

Not saying I don’t think Pickens isn’t planning on cashing in on some of the ridiculous alternative energy mandates the Left has in store for us.


2 posted on 07/29/2008 4:18:31 AM PDT by digger48
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To: shrinkermd

Follow the money.


3 posted on 07/29/2008 4:42:54 AM PDT by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: shrinkermd
To date, Pickens has yet to explain whose dime will pay for this.

Actually, Pickens has been very up-front in stating that without subsidies, his plan makes no sense. So it is a raid on the treasury masquerading as an energy program, as far as I am concerned.

Why do we, as a country, want to invest in expensive technology when good, cheap, well developed energy sources are available in abundance and without subsidy, if we just lift the restrictions? This is madness!

The government should just get the Hell out of the way and let the markets take care of this. If Pickens can make a buck on CNG and windmills, he should. If he can't make a buck, he has no business doing it.

4 posted on 07/29/2008 4:44:38 AM PDT by gridlock (IT'S AN OIL ECONOMY, STUPID!.......................................................(FREE LAZAMATAZ!))
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To: shrinkermd
Electric won't work unless we get coal and nuclear into the picture. NG is the only alternative to oil.

Oil is still the best energy source.

5 posted on 07/29/2008 4:48:55 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED)
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To: gridlock

Because they won’t be around forever? Why are you against diversifying where we get our energy from?


6 posted on 07/29/2008 4:50:43 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Mr. Blonde

I am all for diversification. I am against subsidies. You can have one without the other, you know.

Right now, oil is expensive. This makes other forms of energy attractive, even without subsidies. The government should just step back and let nature take it’s course.

As oil becomes progressively more scarce, alternative energy will get even more attractive. All without dipping into the taxpayer’s pocket.


7 posted on 07/29/2008 4:55:28 AM PDT by gridlock (IT'S AN OIL ECONOMY, STUPID!.......................................................(FREE LAZAMATAZ!))
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To: shrinkermd

Personally, I’m putting a big-ass spinnacre on my minivan this morning. If you hear someone on I-95 screaming “tacking to starboard!”, you might want to watch out.


8 posted on 07/29/2008 4:59:41 AM PDT by Humble Servant
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To: gridlock

Gridlock,
As usual, clear, concise, and correct.


9 posted on 07/29/2008 5:01:29 AM PDT by Humble Servant
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To: gridlock
"The government should just get the Hell out of the way "

From your mouth to God's ears.

Carolyn

10 posted on 07/29/2008 5:05:28 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: gridlock

It isn’t like the taxpayers have no say in it. It is on their ballot. Either they will willingly part with their money or they won’t.


11 posted on 07/29/2008 5:06:10 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: shrinkermd

I think he is also buying up water from the indians in Oklahoma. Their water will now be used to create power for Texas.


12 posted on 07/29/2008 5:14:25 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Mr. Blonde

The ballots failed here the first time but will pass this time.


13 posted on 07/29/2008 5:15:19 AM PDT by dalebert
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Either they will willingly part with their money or they won’t.

Most taxpayers figure that they are having somebody else part with his money. That is why they always want to tax the rich.

14 posted on 07/29/2008 5:27:05 AM PDT by gridlock (IT'S AN OIL ECONOMY, STUPID!.......................................................(FREE LAZAMATAZ!))
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To: gridlock

>>”Why do we, as a country, want to invest in expensive technology when good, cheap, well developed energy sources are available in abundance and without subsidy ...”<<

Which energy sources are these?


15 posted on 07/29/2008 5:27:18 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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Which energy sources are these?

Oil and Coal, mostly. Natural Gas, as well. Throw in Nuclear.

All of these can be developed economically without subsidy if the government would just step aside and let it happen. There is no need to pine for Pie-In-The-Sky whey we have plenty of pies on our plate.

16 posted on 07/29/2008 5:34:56 AM PDT by gridlock (IT'S AN OIL ECONOMY, STUPID!.......................................................(FREE LAZAMATAZ!))
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To: gridlock

Looks like fossil fuels & nukes get some hefty subsidies to me.

Source: http://www.awea.org/pubs/factsheets/Subsidy.pdf


17 posted on 07/29/2008 5:48:54 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: shove_it
Looks like fossil fuels & nukes get some hefty subsidies to me.

That may well be true. I would not advocate subsidies for any energy source. Market forces should decide which energy source grabs share of the market.

But past mistakes should not be used as a reason to make newer, larger mistakes.

18 posted on 07/29/2008 6:02:24 AM PDT by gridlock (IT'S AN OIL ECONOMY, STUPID!.......................................................(FREE LAZAMATAZ!))
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To: dalebert

I believe most of his water rights are in Texas as well. The pipleline he is proposing to build will pump water and power to Dallas from West Texas.


19 posted on 07/29/2008 6:05:01 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: shrinkermd
natural gas is a nonrenewable fossil fuel that we import from foreign sources

This jumped out at me...

The author seems awfully sure of himself that natural gas is "nonrenewable", I'm not so sure, and I doubt, if questioned, that the author could provide a scientific defense of this.

And WHY are we importing for "foreign sources"? Because greenies use the gov't and the courts to stop domestic sources.

Hey, LA Times - TREES are a "renewable resource" and you watermelons don't want us to use those either.

20 posted on 07/29/2008 6:09:51 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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