The Birth Certificate Debacle -- Are We Missing the Obvious?

Self | 7/26/08 | HMV

[Hillary'sMoralVoid]

Although it is just a copy, Obama's birth certificate is invalid due to one simple fact -- it is incomplete. Without the certificate number, there is no way that it can be validated.

Such a certificate can have really be anything, including:

- Never having been a certificate at all

- Being dated long after the birth occurred

- Having a fraudulent certificate number

- Having a certificate number that is inconsistent with other information on the certificate

- Having a certificate number that invalidates the rest of the document (inconsistent with dates, etc.)

Why was this information blacked out?

Only Obama and perhaps his closest advisors probably know.

How could there be any danger in disclosing it?

If the number was valid, it would be tied to the original document that should agree with everything that is on the copy. Since Hawaii will only release this to the individual or the next of kin, there is nothing to be lost by providing this number.

Unless......you are hiding something, or something on the copy is inconsistent with the original.

Therefore, even with all the excellent work done by Techdude and others, the copy provided is invalid in that information, the certificate number, was removed by blacking it out. End of discussion.

[PackerBoy]

Obama is not on anyone's ballot YET. Once he wins the nomination, though, the issue might be ripe.

What is the evidence that Obama is INeligible? That is the first thing a court would want to see.

[Steely Tom]

Declaring confidentiality won’t cut it, medical records are also covered by the privacy act, but are routinely released, but not by Obama, but that’s another thread!

Of course, Obama himself is in office today because he got a judge to compel the release of some confidential documents relating to the the private life of his Republican opponent.

But...

Really, this is a dry hole. I hate to tell you, but this is a waste of time. I'd really like to be wrong about this, but we both know I'm right.

[SoCalPol]

you’d think that Hillary’s campaign would have vetted this out already.

Hill may have this info and more and perhaps letting
Obama run the clock out till convention time (remember she hasn’t turned over here delegates) and Boma doesn’t have the numbers yet for the nomination

[Arthur McGowan]

You may be right that it’s all a kerfuffle.

But NOT because of the mere fact that his mother was a citizen. Because his father was not a citizen, if Obama was born outside the U.S., the mother did NOT pass on citizenship by giving birth, because the law required her to have lived ten years in the U.S., five of those years after her 16th birthday. She was only 18 at the time of birth.

So, the question of the PLACE of birth IS decisive regarding Obama’s citizenship at birth.

[Stepan12]

Techdude says the certification of birth is a terrible forgery

[editor-surveyor]

"The birth certificate kerfuffle has run its course. His mom is an American -- ipso facto, he is, too."

Wrong on all counts. He was born in a foreign country, with only one parent a citizen, and that parent fails the requirements of residency. He is not a U.S. citizen, and certainly not "natural born."

[Disambiguator]

Such a certificate can have really be anything, including:

???

[LucyT]

#17

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2052289/posts?page=17#17

[SlapHappyPappy]

Maybe they have, and they want someone else to break it because then her hands are clean. Unlikely, but not impossible.

[I see my hands]

"The birth certificate kerfuffle has run its course. His mom is an American -- ipso facto, he is, too"

Without the BC how do you know who his mom is?

[depressed in 06]

McCain was declared eligible by the Senate. What proof did he have to present to get this resolution? Why has Obama not received a similar resolution from the Senate.

[quintr]

Has anybody looked in Indonesia for a birth certificate. If his father dumped his mother, and his mother went to be with her mother, didn’t the grandmother live in Indonesia?

Maybe Barry’s mother hightailed it to Indonesia to be with her mother to await the birth of her illegitimate child.

[bossmechanic]

This story has not run it’s course as you would like to believe. Actually, the birth certificate AND dual citizenship discussion is very much alive and somewhat vibrant. I fear you are one of those that wish it would go away - “get back to the issues” blah blah blah. An issue is when someone is illegally running for president Yes? I kinda give this more weight than.....
Wait~! What issues has BO talked about? Let’s see?... Disses the military and ignores their accomplishments and uh, wants to tax anyone he wants and redistribute to those he deems worthy. Opps. Almost forgot - 2nd ammendment waffles and redistribution of wealth(sorry, just said that)

In fact, other issues in and about OB make(thankfully) little difference since it’s pretty much proven that he is a manufactured imposter with no claim to the throne to which he aspires. The bits and pieces are falling into place. I don’t claim to understand all the nuances to this saga but I do feel the Soros clan will be implicated/exposed for trying to buy our goverment. I also personnally believe that some very incrediblely(?) stupid government “others” will be tied to Mr. Soros et al. It should be lovely in November when the touted demo takeover of our government turns into a “vote no” route - albeit in favor of a limp dick republican.
Just my opinion....

[IYAS9YAS]

You know, you’d think that Hillary’s campaign would have vetted this out already.

What do you want to bet that she has, and is waiting for an August surprise to clinch the nomination at the convention.

[CaliGirl-R]

Here’s a pro-hillary/anti-obama site that has a lengthy and exhaustively researched article regarding obama’s eligibility.

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/

[tillacum]

Hawaii like Alaska was a territory, and anyone born in a territory is an American Citizen. It’s the Law...If he was born in Hawaii, he is a Citizen.

[1066AD]

That would be poetic as BO sued to get competitors off the ballot once he decided to run for the Illinois legislature !

Were his parents even married, and if so was it valid ? His father was already married and had two kids back in Kenya when he came to the US.

[JC85]

It's a wild goose chase and a red herring engineered by the Obama camp to occupy the right-wing bloggers. It's effective in two ways. First, Obama’s opponents will waste a great deal of time and resources. Second, at some point Obama’s people will reveal the true birth certificate, making all the people who spent a great deal of time on it look stupid and paranoid.

[Don Corleone]

You know, you’d think that Hillary’s campaign would have vetted this out already.

Maybe she has and is just waiting for the convention to pop it.

[Koblenz]

Hawaii like Alaska was a territory, and anyone born in a territory is an American Citizen. It’s the Law...If he was born in Hawaii, he is a Citizen.

Hawaii was a state when BO was born: Hawaii was admitted to the union in 1959.

I haven't been following this whole BO birth scandal closely, so I have some basic questions:

I guess to be born a citizen of the United States, you either need to be born on US soil (which would include territories), or one of your parents needs to be an American citizen.

So to those who say BO isn't an American citizen: that would certainly require that he wasn't born in the USA, correct? OK, so where could he have been born? There's no controversy if his father was an American citizen: he clearly wasn't. So that leaves his mother. As far as I know, there's no doubt that she's an American citizen. So why is this whole birth certificate thing an issue?