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Who is McCain's Base? (Vanity)
Vanity | 7/27/2008 | Wasted Potential

Posted on 07/27/2008 1:53:14 PM PDT by wastedpotential

I have been in sackloth and ashes ever since the end of the Republican primary season dwelling on the mess we find ourselves in. Conservatives have watched the Republican nomination process get hijacked from them while they were debating whether our candidate should be socially conservative (Huckabee) vs economically conservative (Romney). Now we have McCain, who has historically proven to be mediocre at best on both sets of issues. His only strength was his view on the Iraq war.

Now that we appear to have turned the corner in Iraq, the whole withdrawal argument may be moot. If things continue this way, McCain will be reducing troop levels and bringing the home if elected president. So what is his candidacy about? If the Iraq war is basically won before the election, what is it that will define his candidacy?

Here's another question - who is McCain's base? Who will work the phones? Who will go door to door during the 72 hour GOTV? Who will organize and fund the 527 groups that can take shots at Obama that he can't (or won't) take himself, ala the Swiftboat Vets? More simply asked - who is passionate about McCain's candidacy?

The answer, to me is, nobody. Sure, a lot of us conservatives and disaffected union democrats will vote for McCain as the lesser of 2 evils, but who will "turn out" the voters? Who will sacrifice time from work and money from their budgets to see that he gets elected?

If I am right, I think that President Barack Hussein Obama will be in office come January, killing our way of life with an overwhelming Democrat Congress. Does anyone have a better answer?


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To: TheWasteLand

I feel as you do (I don’t want to get into a position defending McCain - he’s not a good candidate.) but I feel so strongly that Barack Obama would be devastating to our country, especially with Dem majorities in the House and Senate (what would stop him?) that I will do whatever I can to stop Obama from being POTUS.

I didn’t want to vote McCain at first either. Principles and all, you know, but the more I learned and learn about Barack Hussein Obama, the more I am determined to back the only GOP nominee we have at this point (at least we know he was willing to give his life for his country).


121 posted on 07/27/2008 5:32:40 PM PDT by bethtopaz (Obama is for OBAMA. A selfless, civic minded thought would die of loneliness in his head.)
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To: calcowgirl

Ok, I guess I’m just easily misled by false propaganda. Whatever would dolts like me do without clever folks like you?


122 posted on 07/27/2008 5:33:34 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: don-o
Yes Norman. We know about you.

LOL, I'm flattered. I mean it. BTW... Who's "we"?

Care to share how many names you have on your McCain ping lost?

Not a chance. But I was honored to have another very distinguished longtime FReeper join today.
123 posted on 07/27/2008 5:36:21 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: Norman Bates

So, you’re up to three names now?


124 posted on 07/27/2008 5:39:43 PM PDT by don-o (Have you donated to FR? If not, why not?)
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To: NittanyLion; raybbr
Funny. It wasn't I who started with the baseball analogy.

We look at objective standards and determine who matches up the best. And that isn't necessarily a major party candidate.

Pure ward analysis. None of those third party clowns have any chance. And from what I've heard about Bob Barker lately he's better going back to his gameshow, that's how "conservative" he has become. Chuck is a disgusting idiot which I have on good advice from another FReeper.
125 posted on 07/27/2008 5:40:04 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: areukiddingme1
...electible candidates

Here is the game that I see from the liberals (YES, liberals!) that seem to have taking control at the helm of the GOP.

During the primaries, anyone who actually supports the platform and is not willing to lean far to the left is starved of cash and support, slimed as a "purist" or "bigot" or "idealogue" or "isolationist" or.... the end-all-end-all "UNELECTABLE". You must not support that person. You must instead look to the moderate candidate as they are the only one that can "win." It is "the best you can do."

In the general election, you are told you must support the moderate and that any discontent about the LIBERAL policies of said candidate should have been addressed during the primaries. Hold your nose and support the moderate as they are better than the alternative. (You've been HAD!)

After the election, you are told that you must support your newly elected official because "the people have spoken" and besides, if you wanted a conservative then you should have worked harder to elect them. Any opposition to the LIBERAL policies pushed by this so-called New-Rebublican must not be opposed or else you will look weak in the eyes of those evil Democrats. So, just shut your yap and accept it.

So, what do you do.... work hard to get a candidate for the next election. When you do, you are told they are "unelectable".... History shows you need someone more moderate...

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

126 posted on 07/27/2008 5:41:01 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

You want fear mongering? If Obama wins we won’t have a constitution by the end of his term. Before 2020. Beat that. Oh BTW tell me how McCain nominating Karen Williams for SCOTUS will shred the Consitution. I’d like to hear that myself.


127 posted on 07/27/2008 5:41:51 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: raybbr

What a disgusting thing to post. Shame that you sink these conversations to such a level.


128 posted on 07/27/2008 5:43:27 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: TheWasteLand

Kudlow never said that McCain said he wasn’t going to suggest cap and trade, should he get elected.

Kudlow is an optimistic guy and I like listening to him, amidst all the doom and gloom of the economy. He’s probably feeling the same angst we are all feeling - at the prospect of an Obama presidency.

People who think that Republicans should learn a lesson for making bad choices need to realize that whoever is going to be the next POTUS will probably be nominating a couple Supreme Court justices and dealing with an Iran wanting desperately to go nuclear and wipe Israel off the map (and the U.S., too).

I think we can be pretty confident that Barack Obama is NOT a friend of Israel.

He has stated in his biography that he will stand by the Muslims if push came to shove.

John McCain is a friend of Israel.

God has said in His Word: “I will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel.”

I want to live in a country that stands by Israel, the apple of God’s eye.


129 posted on 07/27/2008 5:44:45 PM PDT by bethtopaz (Obama is for OBAMA. A selfless, civic minded thought would die of loneliness in his head.)
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To: calcowgirl

No kidding. Why don’t you take a look at the other things on the website you’d rather not like his right-to-life position, private accounts, oil drilling, strict constructionism, and many other topics.

Anyway I said he hadn’t mentioned it in weeks, not that he removed it from the site.


130 posted on 07/27/2008 5:45:27 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: truth_seeker

You are absolutely correct.

If we (the conservative party) are marketing agency — we would get fired.

We are not doing a good enough job of getting our message out in to the MSM — that has to change, we have to do a better job of putting a face on Conservatism.

We can’t rely on Rush and Sean and Levin and Chris Plante and the others that help keep us informed forever. We have to do it and we can’t sound like whack jobs doing it either.

We need to be “growing” our candidates now and racking them one right after the other.

Thank God Bush is still in the White House, he is not a lame duck President, he is actually having almost as much impact on our country today as he did September 12th on.

He (single handedly) forced the country’s discussion on drilling for oil — simply with the stroke of a pen.

God Bless than man.


131 posted on 07/27/2008 5:45:34 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.)
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To: TheWasteLand

If you don’t care about what McCain’s positions actually are, so be it.

When I see folks posting myths, I will continue to point it out.

Have a great day.


132 posted on 07/27/2008 5:46:44 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: don-o

Care to continue insulting your fellow FReepers who for varying reasons have asked to be part of the McCain List? Besides anyone can see I have more than three, look at all the names before the ...


133 posted on 07/27/2008 5:47:10 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: wastedpotential

McCain’s base is those who can see the tragedy-in-waiting named Obama..


134 posted on 07/27/2008 5:48:41 PM PDT by Edit35 (.)
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To: indylindy

“I really cannot support McCain or Obama. This is no choice.”

How does a person ever get to that position? There is a stark difference to those who get off their pet three or four hot button issues. Yes, McCain has his points of disagreement but so does Bush, Bush, Dole, Reagan, Ford, Nixon and all the others.

This is a choice between a Republican conservative-leaning version of America or a Democratic solid-liberal version of America. There. I freely admit that it isn’t solid conservative. But what do you expect after eight years of a GOP President who is now in the tank? You tell me? Where do you pick up the pieces?


135 posted on 07/27/2008 5:51:48 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: wastedpotential
Who is McCain's Base? Who?

Can I be honest?

It's quite simply the same back stabbing Republican party groupies, the insiders, those that could give a sheat about conservatism.

It's the big gov crowd, the profits regardless of consequences crowd, that could absolutely care less about smaller government, sovereign borders or American conservative principles.

It's the exact same crowd that attempted to convince everyone that Bush was on the conservatives side.

It's all a big fat lie.

136 posted on 07/27/2008 5:52:36 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Edit35

Edit35,

You are exactly right, who is your new congressman?

That is my point the Dems trotted him out and made him look like some damn war heor - yet, he snubbed Pete Hegseth and Vets for Freedom.


137 posted on 07/27/2008 5:52:52 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.)
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To: calcowgirl
You are sorely tempting my good manners. I never claimed McCain had scrapped cap and trade, and I never claimed Kudlow said it either. I said he was "backing off" it, and Kudlow backs me up.

You come in, claim I'm either lying or easily misled by propaganda, and then say goodbye saying I don't care about his positions and I'm posting myths. You're a class act.

138 posted on 07/27/2008 5:54:13 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: Norman Bates

LOL!


139 posted on 07/27/2008 5:55:17 PM PDT by Eaker (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. (H.)
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To: dragnet2

Where do you dream up such a notion? Like any large group of supporters it is going to be diverse. But if there is any near common thread it will be that it is predominantly right-leaning.

Sounds like you are resigned to Obama. Too bad.


140 posted on 07/27/2008 6:01:30 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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