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CA: Promises of casino revenue fail to pan out for state
Riverside Press-Enterprise ^ | 7/27/08 | Michelle DeArmond and Jim Miler

Posted on 07/27/2008 8:46:55 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: GOP_Lady
Bingo! People here can't just be honest about things. I've been to more than one Indian Casino and everyone was clean,sober and having a good time. No problems in the parking lots either. The Casino just outside Roseville by Sacramento is one of the nicest ones I've seen. I know one of those Indians and they get thousands of dollars a month but the way I see it, they have it coming. They spend all of that money back to California, so whats the bitch? Well, that's my two cents anyway.
21 posted on 07/27/2008 11:18:51 AM PDT by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk

Indeed. The Indian Casino in NY that I was actually at have NY State Gaming Commission Agents and law enforcement officials on the premises 24/7. The patrons there were good and decent average folks (just like me) enjoying the entertainment and themselves.


22 posted on 07/27/2008 11:25:26 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: fish hawk

Indeed. The Indian Casino in NY that I was actually at have NY State Gaming Commission Agents and law enforcement officials on the premises 24/7. The patrons there were good and decent average folks (just like me) enjoying the entertainment and themselves.


23 posted on 07/27/2008 11:25:26 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Zevonismymuse

Look, I could be way off base, but I do think the funds are helping the Indians. I think the initial casino deal probably wasn’t that bad, but I reject the call to expand them.

Nobody promised the tribes an income river. They were supposed to get an income stream.


24 posted on 07/27/2008 11:29:14 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I'm a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 1, who won't be voting for McCain.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"The estimates did not reflect the possibility that an economic slowdown would reduce casino activity and produce less casino revenue for the state, Department of Finance spokesman H.D. Palmer said.

Well, why not? There's the problem right there. Any dummy would come up with an average of what good and bad times would bring in revenue.

25 posted on 07/27/2008 11:45:46 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Hugin
People have less disposable income right now for all forms of entertainment, including gambling. Plus most are in pretty remote locations, and the cost of gas is hurting them. Some are offering free gas or gambling credits to get people to come.

Within the last few weeks, a long ago preplanned vacation in Palm Springs supports your contention. Visited three and found very few visitors and many machines not occupied. One casino had stands for new machines, but were not installed. Tables were very empty. (I go mainly for the buffets and little gambling) Gas was around $4.25 to $4.50. Traffic was extremely light, not like past years.

26 posted on 07/27/2008 11:52:33 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Gambling is destructive and is nothing more than a tax and most affects those who can least afford it. There is a reason why it used to be outlawed in the U.S., and not because of outdated Puritan morals, but because of the common knowledge that gambling appeals to our destructive instincts. It’s the arrogant belief that we in 2008 are smarter than our forefathers, that we pass new well intentioned laws to sponsor ideas like gambling. When it’s “for the (children, Indians, etc.)”, then we reject the wisdom of our forebears.

With each succeeding generation, it seems, we try to continue to tear the fabric of society that has made this country great.


27 posted on 07/27/2008 12:05:30 PM PDT by Emo4SC (Disclaimer: All thoughts expressed here are not my own, but merely what I've been told by Talk Radio)
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To: Logical me

The same in Vegas. The manager of the slot attendants at our hotel said the air fare prices “... are killing us.” I booked our flights to Vegas in March at a great price before oil prices started rising. Less people are driving from LA to Vegas as well, I was told. Our economy is about energy.


28 posted on 07/27/2008 12:06:13 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Emo4SC
Gambling, like ANYTHING else, is destructive if one lets it to become that. I have a part-time job which I use for my gambling money. I don't think there's a problem with it. It's time for people to stop telling each other what they can and cannot do. If you don't like something, don't participate in it. It works every time.
29 posted on 07/27/2008 12:08:31 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: fish hawk
can you post here where you are getting all of your “facts”?

I live here. My family are friends with people who get checks. I live on the street that leads to the Casino. Everyone driving to the Casino on Edison Street drives by my house. Why is the word "facts" in quotation marks? What is it that you dispute?

30 posted on 07/27/2008 12:25:35 PM PDT by Zevonismymuse
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Look, I could be way off base, but I do think the funds are helping the Indians.

First of all, explain how 150 self-proclaimed Chumash share in the pot, while there are 12,000-15,000 (according to our local Santa Ynez Historical Society) Chumash descendants who get nothing. Secondly, are you for reparations in general, or only for people who claim to be indigenous? Finally, how do you feel about preferential treatment of minorities in general? I think racial preferences result in racial divisiveness. Why can't all races operate casinos? Why don't the Indian Casinos have to follow the same permit process and pay the same taxes as other businesses run by people of other ethnic backgrounds?

31 posted on 07/27/2008 12:34:08 PM PDT by Zevonismymuse
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To: NormsRevenge

gee, who could have seen this coming? /UltraDrippingSarc


32 posted on 07/27/2008 1:03:33 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (College kid: "Do you have a minute for Obama?" NVA: "Not now or ever.")
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To: Zevonismymuse
The word facts is in quotations because you don't have any. Only your personal biased opinion. My cousin is married to an Indian that is with the Thunder Valley Casino in Roseville and they get about fifty thousand a month and guess what. They spend it all right back into the economy of California. So does all the other members there. Also nothing like you describe goes on around that casino. I guess you are just unlucky that all the derelicts like your casino best.
33 posted on 07/27/2008 1:10:20 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk
My cousin is married to an Indian that is with the Thunder Valley Casino in Roseville and they get about fifty thousand

It sounds like you are the one with the "personal biased opinion". I used quotation marks because I was quoting you. I am throwing in the English lesson free of charge.

My assertions are about the Chumash Casino. Once again, I would like you to specifically point out a single error in what I have asserted here.

34 posted on 07/27/2008 1:15:48 PM PDT by Zevonismymuse
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To: Zevonismymuse
There evidently is no error as it is all in YOUR head. You see it as truth without bias or prejudice. Nothing I can do to help you except suggest you look for another house in another area where there are no dirty casinos or casino people.
35 posted on 07/27/2008 1:23:46 PM PDT by fish hawk
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Nothing I can do to help you except suggest you look for another house in another area where there are no dirty casinos or casino people.

First of all, we are the fourth generation of our family to live in our 108 year old house so we have no intention of leaving. Second of all, I never called anyone "dirty". Once again, those are your words so I am using quotation marks. I think you may need to take a deep breath and re-read my posts re; my problems with the Chumash Casino. If you would like to engage in a meaningful debate or discussion I am happy to oblige. I think the debate on these threads is very educational and it is helpful to hear from all sides.

36 posted on 07/27/2008 1:28:58 PM PDT by Zevonismymuse
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To: GOP_Lady
Gambling, like ANYTHING else, is destructive if one lets it to become that. I have a part-time job which I use for my gambling money.

Gambling is for people who are bad at math, but being foolish should not be a crime. I do not think gambling should be against the law but I think every U.S. citizen should have to be governed by the same laws. That is the basis for my opposition to the so-called Indian Gaming; there is a racist double standard at the foundation of these institutions.

The Chumash Casino did not have to adhere to the local building codes, application process, business licensing, taxes, etc. of other new businesses in our county. It was built against the wishes of the overwhelming majority of the residents of this small hamlet. We have little or no recourse as citizens. Our elected officials are not able to enforce the county regulations that normally govern such enterprises. That is my concern. I have no problem with legalized gambling.

37 posted on 07/27/2008 1:40:11 PM PDT by Zevonismymuse
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To: Emo4SC

There’s always somebody in the crowd who loves to throw a turd in the punch bowl.


38 posted on 07/27/2008 2:04:34 PM PDT by kempo
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To: Zevonismymuse
You described partially what has happened in Fresno with the Table Mountain Casino. When the tribe reconstituted in the early 80’s, the rules spelled out who is considered a tribal member. Initially, you had to own property on the mountain, or be the child of one owning property. Anyone else had to show a direct relation to someone on the last tribal manifest (circa 1950’s), and be voted in by the tribal members. Sounds OK, right. Wrong! They have refused to include as tribal members all applicants, regardless of the fact that they know them personally, are closely related to them, and they live in the immediate Prather/Auberry area. The result is about 40-50 adult members receiving all the profits. While their cousins, aunts and uncles live in trailers. That has spoiled the whole Indian gaming for me.
39 posted on 07/27/2008 8:48:31 PM PDT by gracie1 (Why can't I pay my visa with my mastercard?)
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To: gracie1
The result is about 40-50 adult members receiving all the profits. While their cousins, aunts and uncles live in trailers. That has spoiled the whole Indian gaming for me.

The corruption and obvious inherent unfairness is a big problem, but for me it comes down to racial preferences are never okay. I think if opening and operating a casino is legal, it should be legal for everyone and competition should occur. Anything less is un-American.

40 posted on 07/28/2008 8:49:47 AM PDT by Zevonismymuse
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