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IDF vets train NY Jewish paramilitaries
The Jerusalem Post ^ | July 25, 2008 | HAVIV RETTIG

Posted on 07/27/2008 8:41:08 AM PDT by ChicagoHebrew

onatan Stern, the "Sgan Mefaked Hakita" (deputy squad commander) of Kitat Konenut New York, insists his "paramilitary emergency armed response team" is no "group of vigilantes or a JDL [Jewish Defense League]." Members of Kitat Konenut New...

Members of Kitat Konenut New York pose in a photo posted on the group's Facebook page. Photo: Courtesy Slideshow: Pictures of the week

"The goal of the organization is to have a competent and professional group of armed volunteers ready to respond to a threat at a moment's notice in any area where Jews reside," explains the Israeli combat veteran.

"We do not carry out demonstrations or political activity of any kind as we have no political agenda. Our agenda is to protect Jews wherever and whenever necessary and by any means needed."

On Friday, the third session of the group's training camp will begin in the Catskills woodlands of upstate New York, on land belonging to a Jewish supporter of the organization. With tuition at $400, the group expects 15 participants and five instructors for the 10 days of training. Participation has doubled since the group began three years ago.

Kitat Konenut New York is modeled on the rapid response teams in the West Bank settlements that are often the first to act when terrorist attacks or other emergencies take place. The group bills itself as religious-Zionist but nonpolitical.

American Jews have "felt a false sense of security in the United States," Stern believes, "because historically there has been less anti-Semitism than in other countries. But there have been incidents - neo-Nazi terrorist attacks, Arab terrorist attacks. Jews have to be vigilant."

"The threat is not from the American people or government," he adds, but from "terrorist sleeper cells that want to target Jews. These people are very dangerous and the FBI issues warnings against them very often," he said, citing the FBI's warning, after the killing of Hizbullah operations chief Imad Mughniyeh in Damascus in February, that the Lebanese group might carry out terror attacks on Jewish communities.

"The average American is friendly to Jews, but we're worried about those individuals on the periphery of society," Stern says.

The group was founded in the summer of 2006 in response to the shooting attack at the Jewish federation of Seattle premises by local Muslim Naveed Haq.

"We realized there is a need for this kind of organization, and as Israeli combat veterans living in the US, we have the skills and ability to respond to this," Stern says.

The group's MySpace page details the camp's regimen, which includes training in the IDF's Krav Maga martial art, use of non-lethal weapons and identification of suspicious objects, but also sharpshooter and assault rifle training, infantry exercises and endurance marches. Explanatory literature lists a large number of weapons with which participants can expect to train.

"We believe all Jews in the US must be legally armed and trained," Stern says, "and towards this goal we hold paramilitary training camps to train and equip Jewish American youth."

The group's literature notes emphatically that all firearms used in training "are 100% legal and in compliance with all federal, state and local laws."

"We strongly believe in the constitutional right to bear arms and we express this right to its fullest," it adds.

The group claims to be "well-connected with the New York police and fire departments" and it invites "all members of the law enforcement community to join in our life-saving activities."

Stern says, "We are all legally armed and carry radios and cellphones" during all hours of the day, and even on Shabbat, "as we need to be constantly ready to respond to any incident."

The camp literature also promises discussions on Torah and Halacha, understanding and confronting terrorism, fighting anti-Semitism, the history of the Zionist movement in the Land of Israel, and encouraging participants to "know your rights and learn how every American can and must be legally armed and how to express the Second Amendment" - the right to bear arms.

Funded by tuition money and a handful of private donors, the group does not exclude secular Jews, Stern says, but asks that they respect the Orthodox nature of the camp by observing Shabbat in public and refraining from bringing non-kosher food.

"We wouldn't have a problem with non-Jews coming either," says Stern, "but no non-Jew has applied thus far."


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“onatan Stern, the “Sgan Mefaked Hakita” (deputy squad commander) of Kitat Konenut New York, insists his “paramilitary emergency armed response team” is no “group of vigilantes or a JDL [Jewish Defense League].” Members of Kitat Konenut New...

Members of Kitat Konenut New York pose in a photo posted on the group’s Facebook page. Photo: Courtesy Slideshow: Pictures of the week

“The goal of the organization is to have a competent and professional group of armed volunteers ready to respond to a threat at a moment’s notice in any area where Jews reside,” explains the Israeli combat veteran.

“We do not carry out demonstrations or political activity of any kind as we have no political agenda. Our agenda is to protect Jews wherever and whenever necessary and by any means needed.”

On Friday, the third session of the group’s training camp will begin in the Catskills woodlands of upstate New York, on land belonging to a Jewish supporter of the organization. With tuition at $400, the group expects 15 participants and five instructors for the 10 days of training. Participation has doubled since the group began three years ago.

Kitat Konenut New York is modeled on the rapid response teams in the West Bank settlements that are often the first to act when terrorist attacks or other emergencies take place. The group bills itself as religious-Zionist but nonpolitical.

American Jews have “felt a false sense of security in the United States,” Stern believes, “because historically there has been less anti-Semitism than in other countries. But there have been incidents - neo-Nazi terrorist attacks, Arab terrorist attacks. Jews have to be vigilant.”

“The threat is not from the American people or government,” he adds, but from “terrorist sleeper cells that want to target Jews. These people are very dangerous and the FBI issues warnings against them very often,” he said, citing the FBI’s warning, after the killing of Hizbullah operations chief Imad Mughniyeh in Damascus in February, that the Lebanese group might carry out terror attacks on Jewish communities.

“The average American is friendly to Jews, but we’re worried about those individuals on the periphery of society,” Stern says.

The group was founded in the summer of 2006 in response to the shooting attack at the Jewish federation of Seattle premises by local Muslim Naveed Haq.

“We realized there is a need for this kind of organization, and as Israeli combat veterans living in the US, we have the skills and ability to respond to this,” Stern says.

The group’s MySpace page details the camp’s regimen, which includes training in the IDF’s Krav Maga martial art, use of non-lethal weapons and identification of suspicious objects, but also sharpshooter and assault rifle training, infantry exercises and endurance marches. Explanatory literature lists a large number of weapons with which participants can expect to train.

“We believe all Jews in the US must be legally armed and trained,” Stern says, “and towards this goal we hold paramilitary training camps to train and equip Jewish American youth.”

The group’s literature notes emphatically that all firearms used in training “are 100% legal and in compliance with all federal, state and local laws.”

“We strongly believe in the constitutional right to bear arms and we express this right to its fullest,” it adds.

The group claims to be “well-connected with the New York police and fire departments” and it invites “all members of the law enforcement community to join in our life-saving activities.”

Stern says, “We are all legally armed and carry radios and cellphones” during all hours of the day, and even on Shabbat, “as we need to be constantly ready to respond to any incident.”

The camp literature also promises discussions on Torah and Halacha, understanding and confronting terrorism, fighting anti-Semitism, the history of the Zionist movement in the Land of Israel, and encouraging participants to “know your rights and learn how every American can and must be legally armed and how to express the Second Amendment” - the right to bear arms.

Funded by tuition money and a handful of private donors, the group does not exclude secular Jews, Stern says, but asks that they respect the Orthodox nature of the camp by observing Shabbat in public and refraining from bringing non-kosher food.

“We wouldn’t have a problem with non-Jews coming either,” says Stern, “but no non-Jew has applied thus far.”

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!IT PLAINLY STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The IDF vets are”instructors” for the “Militia”!!!DUH!!!

“Israeli combat veterans living in the US”

They Live HERE,Not In Israel!!! DUH!!!

June~8~1967 I was in the ‘Nam,sonny,,,

Don’t,,,

Look,,,

Now,,,

But,,,

Your Strawman Is On Fire!...


61 posted on 07/27/2008 12:11:51 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: wastedyears

Ditto.


62 posted on 07/27/2008 12:12:43 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. Liberty, Equality, Fraternity and Free Laz.)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
Thanks for your service!

Wonder what spamalot's doing about his responsibilities...

63 posted on 07/27/2008 12:23:04 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you intended to!)
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To: wastedyears
They have a nice Myspace Page.
64 posted on 07/27/2008 12:24:01 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. Liberty, Equality, Fraternity and Free Laz.)
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To: isrul

A Barrett .50cal rifle, bolt-action or semi, pending your state laws, or a .50 Beowulf upper for an AR-15.

The Beowulf is only good out to about 200 yards, but it’s a beast of a round going downrange.

Barrett is effective over a mile away.


65 posted on 07/27/2008 12:28:26 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: justiceseeker93; Zionist Conspirator; Alouette

Thought this might interest you.


66 posted on 07/27/2008 12:29:16 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

The Jew-haters get worried & angry whenever they see Jews being normal. They come up with a million reasons why it’s wrong for Jews to do that, but they all come down to one thing: Jews are supposed to be helpless & beneath them.


67 posted on 07/27/2008 12:29:59 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: spanalot

I know some people involved. The vast majority of them are American citizens who believe in their constitutional right to keep and bear arms and their moral duty to protect themselves, their families and their community. Exactly what is your problem with that?


68 posted on 07/27/2008 12:31:07 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: castlebrew

Your quite welcome,,,

I would guess nothing,,,

Seems to be Skeeert of Jews with Guns,,,

Maybe a skin-head from stormfront,,,

Or just a regular Idiot...;0)


69 posted on 07/27/2008 12:31:47 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: PA Engineer

Thank you for posting that.


70 posted on 07/27/2008 12:34:48 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: wastedyears

I second the motion on the Beowulf. It’s on my list. Don’t forget the reloading gear...


71 posted on 07/27/2008 12:39:12 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you intended to!)
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To: ChicagoHebrew
Sic 'em!!!
72 posted on 07/27/2008 12:45:45 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . Kol rodefeyha hissiyguha ben hametzarim.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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Interesting, I know nothing of the group at all.

On the one hand, there's no need for an organized militia to protect Jews in the United States, though from a quick look at their website that doesn't seem to be what they're about.

On the other self defence, the ability to protect oneself and family, is essential and frequently ignored in the Jewish community.

Whether you're in (and are confident in) a one or twenty minute police response zone, whether you live or die is on your sholders. A concealed carry permit holder could have ended the Washington incident quickly. Were there not an armed, private, guard at the El Al counter, more than three might have died.

Nothing wrong with a Jewish oriented 2nd Amendment group willing to provide firearms training. For the nutballs offended by the concept, that's life. Armed Jews are no threat unless you wish them harm.

73 posted on 07/27/2008 1:05:59 PM PDT by SJackson (Barack Obama will not be coming to us, I don't know why, Spokesperson US military hospital Landstuhl)
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To: ExpatGator
just as there are christian militias in this country

Its Called the Ku klux Klan.

I’m a veteran of our U.S. Armed Forces. If I train a member of a so called militia to shoot would it mean that the U.S. is training militias??? That is what you posit with your ridiculous comments.

Take that training to Mother Russia and train some Jewish,Christian or muslim militia and let us Know how it works out for you.

not all countries take kindly to foreign trained troops Instructing Militia.

Maybe we can get some Cuban Advisors for our newest Somali Citizens.You Know just in case the Christian Militia came a calling.

It's 2008 and Ethnic Identity politics is alive and strong,Just as it was In the former Yugoslavia in 1990.

The abyss draws near.

74 posted on 07/27/2008 1:08:34 PM PDT by ChibisHologram
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To: spanalot

I am a disabled veteran of the U.S. military with 2 expeditionary medals in my shadow box (Navy Exp. and Armed Forces Exp.) Who the hell are you to question my allegiance?

Your inflammatory insinuations prove your inability to counter my logical and obviously accurate position. Off my leg little dog.


75 posted on 07/27/2008 1:11:10 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Counter-mortar, Spanalot does not understand logic and will soon question your allegiance as he has mine. Methinks his hatred of Jews is blinding him to the truth.


76 posted on 07/27/2008 1:14:44 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: abu afak

What does the 2nd amendment have to do with IDF paramilitary in the US?


77 posted on 07/27/2008 1:14:53 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Yes, and it’s called Multi-Culturalism.


78 posted on 07/27/2008 1:14:53 PM PDT by Yankereb
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To: wastedyears

“I’d follow somebody from the IDF, especially their Special Forces.”

I am sure you would.


79 posted on 07/27/2008 1:15:59 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Levante

“Getting ready for riots “

I hope you brought plenty of tin foil for your friends.


80 posted on 07/27/2008 1:17:11 PM PDT by spanalot
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