Posted on 07/26/2008 7:11:22 AM PDT by dascallie
Well, if a dual citizenship is a problem, wouldn’t him being Kenyan (by father’s citizenship) as well throw a wrench into things?
If John McCain (or Obama) were born on the MOON and his parents were there UNDER ORDERS FROM THE US GOVERNMENT,
be it Civilian or Military he would be a resident of the US.
I even think it would go to the same effect if his mother was a Martian and he were born on the moon and his father was under US GOVERNMENT ORDERS—as long as they were married.
I am quite sure that as long as his parents weren’t married the citizenship and location of his MOTHER at the time of birth count. I don’t see him eligible if his father was American and his UNMARRIED mother were in the Congo.
Still a BASTARD no matter which way you cut it.
I really can’t see some child I may have drunkly fathered in Japan in the 60’s showing up at my door and being eligible to run for the office of President....
There is nothing in Article II disqualifying a person from the Presidency who by action of foreign law has foreign citizenship. The only citizenship requirement is that he be a natural born citizen of the United States. Anyone who maintains otherwise is an "emanations from the penumbra" guy, just like those who find a right to abortion in the Constitution, and should be held in similar low regard.
The logic of the above article would give foreign states a method to meddle in the U.S. Presidential election. For example, if the Soviet Union had not wished Ronald Reagan to be President of the United States, all they would have to do is pass a Soviet law stating that Ronald Reagan was a Soviet citizen, and that Soviet law does not allow Ronald Reagan to renounce said Soviet citizenship. Abracadabra, Ronald Reagan could not be President of the United States. An obviously absurd state of affairs.
I would agree that dual citizenship might be something that the American people could take into account in the selection of a President. If the American people do not want a person with dual citizenship to be President, they will have to accomplish that at the ballot box.
Well, though it seems like a pretty straight forward situation, it's not. As the father of two children, both born of US citizens while I was on duty at Marine Barracks Bermuda, I can tell you unequivocally that they were issued a Bermudian birth certificate, which was then taken to the US consulate for issuance of a State Department Birth certificate that certified that they were, indeed, US citizens. It is NOT an automatic process. As with all things having anything to do with government - let alone two governments - there is paperwork that constructs a trail that should be easy enough to follow. This, I think is the authors position. It should be easy enough - even without specify dates - to construct a paper trail that would establish - without question - the citizenship status, and therefore, the eligibility of BHS to serve as POTUS. As the author reasonably stated, this paper trail seems to have be obfuscated to a point where it is NOT an easy trail to follow.
This issue appears to be gaining steam.
I suspect this may be the instrument Hillary uses (not directly, of course :) to take the nomination away from nObama.
Timing is everything in life. You can bet the Clintons are working on this. Even if they find no proof, they will manufacture it. Then they will send Lanny Davis and hordes of other sleazy Clintoonist out to start the fires. Obamayamma had better get busy gathering documentation of proving he meets the basic qualification for POTUS. The burden of proof is on him.
It is legal for a child of less than 18 years of age to have dual citizenship in Indonesia. At age 18 that child must choose of which nation he/she wants to be a citizen. Barack moved to Hawaii when he was 9-10 years old.
In 1981 Barack Obama said he went to Pakistan with a college roommate who had overstayed his student visa. At that time U.S. citizens were prohibited from traveling to or from Pakistan. The only way Obama could have gotten into and out of Pakistan was by using his Indonesian passport (which would clearly state his religion as Muslim).
He was have been around 19-20 years old. That is a sure declaration of citizenship when you use a passport as an adult. He declared his allegience to Indonesia.
He isn’t eligible, under Articl II of the U.S. Constitution, to be our President. As a lawyer specializing in Constitutional law he knows it too.
I never heard of such a prohibition. What would the reason have been for it? Also the "from Pakistan" part doesn't even make sense regardless of whether US or Pakistan law applied.
In 1981 a Pakistani Airways flight from Karachi was hijacked and this was in the international news for some time. There were at least 4 Americans on board.
Also in 1981 the US agreed to give Pakistan a $3.2 billion aid package. It seems unlikely that this event would be accompanied by a prohibition of American travel to Pakistan by either country.
He was have been around 19-20 years old. That is a sure declaration of citizenship when you use a passport as an adult. He declared his allegience to Indonesia.
He isn’t eligible, under Articl II of the U.S. Constitution, to be our President. As a lawyer specializing in Constitutional law he knows it too.
There is only one way to renounce your American citizenship. By going to an American embassy or consulate and filling out an oath of renunciation.
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html
Violation of a travel ban may or may not be a felony, I don't know. But it obviously was not prosecuted and the statute of limitations has long since run on it. You may be able to use the violation of the law to embarrass him and possibly cause people not to vote for him, but he is a natural born American citizen and eligible for the Presidency. Since he is a Democrat a violation of the law may be a resume enhancement.
As for what Barry Obama knows, I would not rely on his knowledge of constitutional law in any way, shape, manner, or form.
Do not mistake my statement of the law for an endorsement of his candidacy and election.
He couldn’t have entered Pakistan on a U.S. passport. Any idea as to how he traveled around in southwest Asia without one?
That convention should be very interesting, if nothing else.
Wow, I typed that badly.
And I've had my coffee this morning. ;-)
What a riot that would be!
I really hate reminding people of history they should know. During 1982 - 1986 I was working a desk in Middle East, Mediterranean, and North African intelligence for one of the military branches. I won’t be more specific than that.
The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1978. In 1981 Afghanistan was in chaos and Pakistan was under martial law, being used by various agencies as a leaping off point for incursions into Afghanistan. If you were an American tourist you couldn’t get a visa to enter Pakistan as it was on the U.S. State Department’s no-travel lists a very dangerous place.
Barack Obama traveled to Pakistan via Indonesia. We already know that he had been registered in Indonesian public schools as Lolo Soetoro’s son, as a Muslim, and as an Indonesian. He had to have had an identity card, called a KTP, to have been enrolled. Indonesia at that time was a police state and non-Indonesian children could not be enrolled.
He traveled between Indonesia and Hawaii in 1971 using an Indonesian passport to depart Indonesia and entered Hawaii using a U.S. passport. That is what has been reported by people investigating that period in his childhood.
In 1981 he traveled to Pakistan, with his Pakistani roommate, via Indonesia.
It would have been very easy to update his KTP and Indonesian passport to enter Pakistan, and a great deal of trouble to try to travel on his U.S. passport, especially as he wouldn’t have been granted a visa to enter Pakistan.
At age twenty, was he even thinking that he might one day run for President of the United States?
All the above can be found on Texasdarlin’s blog.
I don't know that Pakistani customs agents would care about an American prohibition of travel to Pakistan and doubt they would enforce American laws.
How’d he get out of the U.S.? By lying about his destination. People do it all the time traveling to Cuba. Which comes back to whether or not the violation of an America prohibition of travel to Pakistan (which by the way, I'm assuming is true based on your word - I have no personal knowledge that there was one) is a felony. Even if it was, the statute of limitations has run long ago on it. The fact could be used to embarrass Barry and might cost him some votes, but he is still an American citizen and eligible to run for President.
As before, my statement of the facts of the law does not in any way constitute an approval of his candidacy and possible future election.
It matters a hell of a lot if he had dual citizenship and has lied about it. Dual citizenship, like naturalization, makes him ineligible to be President and Commander-in-Chief due to a question of allegience.
That would be under Article II of the U.S. Consititution.
Gives a whole new meaning to his “citizen of the world” talk, don’t it?
That would be under Article II of the U.S. Consititution.
There is nothing in Article II that precludes Obama from being elected President. Barry is a natural born American, has never renounced his citizenship at an American embassy or consulate, and is eligible for the American Presidency under the Constitution and American law. I have disproven your assertions to the contrary. You have no legal leg to stand on. I might wish you did, but facts are facts.
As before my statement of the legal facts of the case does not constitute approval of Barry's candidacy or his possible election, both of which I oppose.
It certainly matters if he knowingly acted in a manner conversant with being a citizen of another nation, such as using a passport and presenting himself in foreign nations as citizen of another country.
Is he a natural born citizen? Probably. If so, why not publish his birth certificate? He hasn’t so far, for suspicious reasons, such as being born in Canada.
“Barry is a natural born American, has never renounced his citizenship at an American embassy or consulate, and is eligible for the American Presidency under the Constitution and American law.”
He call him “Barry” as though you know him personally; how interesting. Well, he is a damned liar on more that one level. Larry Sinclair has proved that - in spades!
He can be a citizen of the United States but still be ineligible to become President. Dual citizenship, being adopted by his stepfather and given Indonesian citizenship as a child, would not violate Article II of the U.S. Constitution if he never used his Indonesian passport after age 18.
But if he went to Indonesia in 1981 and swore he was a faithful Indonesian citizen just to go to Pakistan - it will be the stupidest act ever.
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