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Are Pot Users Criminals? The Tragic Case of Rachel Hoffman
ABC News ^ | July 24, 2008 | BRIAN ROSS and VIC WALTER

Posted on 07/25/2008 8:49:03 PM PDT by bamahead

After being caught twice with a "baggie" of marijuana, 23-year old Rachel Hoffman was reportedly told by police in Tallahassee, Florida that she would go to prison for four years unless she became an undercover informant.

The young woman, a recent graduate of Florida State University, was murdered during a botched sting operation two months ago.

"The idea of waging a war on drugs is to protect people and here it seems like we're putting people in harm's way," said Lance Block, a lawyer hired by Rachel's parents.

The Florida Attorney General's office says it is reviewing the procedures and protocol of the Tallahassee police.

"I'm calling her a criminal," Tallahassee police chief Dennis Jones told 20/20, who maintains that both drug dealers and drug users are considered criminals to his department.

Under Florida law, possession of more than 20 grams of marijuana is a felony.

The Tallahassee police chief says Rachel was suspected of selling drugs and she was rightly treated as a criminal.

"That's my job as a police chief to find these criminals in our community and take them off the street, to make the proper arrests," Jones told 20/20.

Rachel's case also is raising questions about how police recruit and use informants in undercover operations.

"There need to be some safeguards here," said Block, the Hoffman family lawyer.

The young woman received no training before being sent to an undercover meeting to buy a large amount of drugs and a handgun from two suspects.

Police says Rachel was killed by the very handgun she was supposed to buy.

"I don't think she understood the risk or danger that she was in," said Block.

Rachel was in a drug court diversion program when she became an informant.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: baronmunchiehausen; criminals; donutwatch; jbts; lawsuit; libertarians; munchies; pot; potheadalert; potheads; themunchies; wod; wosd
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To: Gondring
Just guard it with your straw man.

Manufacture and sale of moonshine is illegal. Just like the manufacture and sale of pot and Ecstasy.

Gee, it looks like your strawman wilted.

481 posted on 07/26/2008 5:57:07 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: waiyu; MileHi
Until then you may feel more at home on this website:
www.democraticunderground.com

Yes, it makes sense that you would know that place quite well, waiyu...with the lack of reason (and large component of nanny-statism) in your posts, it shows.



;-)

482 posted on 07/26/2008 5:57:41 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Mojave

Yep! Treat all drugs like we treat alcohol.

No more persecuting a Rush Limbaugh for “doctor shopping”. No more drug wars or scum like Al Capone and Joe Kennedy getting rich from the trade.

Strict regulations on the quality, sale and production and strict enforcement of the laws and regulations.


483 posted on 07/26/2008 6:01:25 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Gondring
speeders ought to be threatened with felony charges

They can be if they:

...unlawfully, willfully and feloniously did operate a motor vehicle on a highway while attempting to elude a law enforcement officer. At the time of the violation, (choose any TWO)

1. The defendant was speeding in excess of 15 mph over the legal speed limit

2. there was gross impairment (.14 or more)

3. the defendant was driving recklessly in violation of GS 20-140,

4. the defendant was driving negligently and caused an accident with property damage of 1000 or more, or personal injury

5. the defendant was driving while the defendants drivers license was revoked.

6. school zone speed limit violation

7. passed stopped school bus

8. defendant driving with passenger under 12 yrs of age in the vehicle.


484 posted on 07/26/2008 6:01:29 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave; SUSSA
Manufacture and sale of moonshine is illegal. Just like the manufacture and sale of pot and Ecstasy.

Which has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with reducing the point that was made by SUSSA.

By the way, I'd like to hear your definition of "moonshine"...since it can be quite a circular argument if you define it as "illegal distilled unaged spirits" or something.


I suppose you believe that marijuana is just a gateway drug...sooner or later, they'll be into trans-fats, right?

485 posted on 07/26/2008 6:01:31 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: SUSSA
Treat all drugs like we treat alcohol.

Okay. Absinthe is illegal.

That was easy.

486 posted on 07/26/2008 6:03:04 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Gondring
Which has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with reducing the point that was made by SUSSA.

Rachel's Ecstasy would have still been illegal if the moonshine model is followed.

487 posted on 07/26/2008 6:04:55 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
Uh, hello...of course they can! That was my point...just claim they did something that makes it a felony.

And so why not get the press gang going and save some tax dollars?

Cannon fodder, you know...why bother training or paying people when we can just buy a few gestapo uniforms and round up citizens to provide the verloren hoop.

488 posted on 07/26/2008 6:05:12 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
just claim they did something that makes it a felony.

The law makes it a felony.

489 posted on 07/26/2008 6:06:53 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Speeding is not a felony, per se, at least wherever I know of. Of course, IANAL.


490 posted on 07/26/2008 6:10:01 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
Speeding is not a felony, per se,

Drugs are not a felony, per se,

491 posted on 07/26/2008 6:12:25 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave

VERY good point


492 posted on 07/26/2008 6:13:29 PM PDT by waiyu (Living is the only thing worth dying for.)
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To: Mojave
Rachel's Ecstasy would have still been illegal if the moonshine model is followed.

Nope. If Ecstasy were made legal but highly taxed, then you could say "Rachel's untaxed Methylenedioxymethamphetamine" was illegal"...but in that case, there's little likelihood she'd have been dealing in untaxed MDMA, with brand name Ecstasy available. (Of course, the UN prevents Ecstasy from being "brand name" but that's another story.)

Or do you fail to recognize that there's little reason to buy an illegal form of alcohol when alcohol has been made legal but is highly taxed?

493 posted on 07/26/2008 6:13:43 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

Of course I know about DU. I’m on PJ-Comix’s Ping List.


494 posted on 07/26/2008 6:15:26 PM PDT by waiyu (Living is the only thing worth dying for.)
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To: Mojave
I’m reminded of the liberal talk show callers who always announce that they’re lifelong Republicans as soon as they get on the air.

I'm reminded of the bricks in the chimney.

495 posted on 07/26/2008 6:15:43 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Mojave

Bingo.

So you agree with me...glad you finally understand.


496 posted on 07/26/2008 6:16:29 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
If Ecstasy were made legal but highly taxed, then you could say "Rachel's untaxed Methylenedioxymethamphetamine" was illegal"...

Sell taxed whiskey out of the trunk of your car. Send me a postcard from jail.

497 posted on 07/26/2008 6:20:27 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
Glad you get it. It's not good news when we have LEOs encouraging the breaking of laws, or that we set up the methods such that they encourage the use of citizens as tethered goats, or that the incentives are set up to encourage LEOs to use citizens as unpaid, untrained slave labor ("recruited" without supervision or labor-law oversight).

Now that you understand the problem with this mode of law enforcement destruction, I bid you goodnight.

498 posted on 07/26/2008 6:20:28 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
I'm reminded of the bricks in the chimney.

Bricks of what?

499 posted on 07/26/2008 6:21:14 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Gondring
So you agree with me...glad you finally understand.

Agreement with you would indicate a lack of understanding. Rachel wasn't a pharmacist, Ecstasy isn't medicine.

500 posted on 07/26/2008 6:23:03 PM PDT by Mojave
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