Are Pot Users Criminals? The Tragic Case of Rachel Hoffman

ABC News ^ | July 24, 2008 | BRIAN ROSS and VIC WALTER

[Mojave]

Just guard it with your straw man.

Manufacture and sale of moonshine is illegal. Just like the manufacture and sale of pot and Ecstasy.

Gee, it looks like your strawman wilted.

[Gondring]

Until then you may feel more at home on this website:
www.democraticunderground.com

Yes, it makes sense that you would know that place quite well, waiyu...with the lack of reason (and large component of nanny-statism) in your posts, it shows.

;-)

[SUSSA]

Yep! Treat all drugs like we treat alcohol.

No more persecuting a Rush Limbaugh for “doctor shopping”. No more drug wars or scum like Al Capone and Joe Kennedy getting rich from the trade.

Strict regulations on the quality, sale and production and strict enforcement of the laws and regulations.

[Mojave]

speeders ought to be threatened with felony charges

They can be if they:

...unlawfully, willfully and feloniously did operate a motor vehicle on a highway while attempting to elude a law enforcement officer. At the time of the violation, (choose any TWO)

1. The defendant was speeding in excess of 15 mph over the legal speed limit

2. there was gross impairment (.14 or more)

3. the defendant was driving recklessly in violation of GS 20-140,

4. the defendant was driving negligently and caused an accident with property damage of 1000 or more, or personal injury

5. the defendant was driving while the defendants drivers license was revoked.

6. school zone speed limit violation

7. passed stopped school bus

8. defendant driving with passenger under 12 yrs of age in the vehicle.

[Gondring]

Manufacture and sale of moonshine is illegal. Just like the manufacture and sale of pot and Ecstasy.

Which has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with reducing the point that was made by SUSSA.

By the way, I'd like to hear your definition of "moonshine"...since it can be quite a circular argument if you define it as "illegal distilled unaged spirits" or something.

I suppose you believe that marijuana is just a gateway drug...sooner or later, they'll be into trans-fats, right?

[Mojave]

Treat all drugs like we treat alcohol.

Okay. Absinthe is illegal.

That was easy.

[Mojave]

Which has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with reducing the point that was made by SUSSA.

Rachel's Ecstasy would have still been illegal if the moonshine model is followed.

[Gondring]

Uh, hello...of course they can! That was my point...just claim they did something that makes it a felony.

And so why not get the press gang going and save some tax dollars?

Cannon fodder, you know...why bother training or paying people when we can just buy a few gestapo uniforms and round up citizens to provide the verloren hoop.

[Mojave]

just claim they did something that makes it a felony.

The law makes it a felony.

[Gondring]

Speeding is not a felony, per se, at least wherever I know of. Of course, IANAL.

[Mojave]

Speeding is not a felony, per se,

Drugs are not a felony, per se,

[waiyu]

VERY good point

[Gondring]

Rachel's Ecstasy would have still been illegal if the moonshine model is followed.

Nope. If Ecstasy were made legal but highly taxed, then you could say "Rachel's untaxed Methylenedioxymethamphetamine" was illegal"...but in that case, there's little likelihood she'd have been dealing in untaxed MDMA, with brand name Ecstasy available. (Of course, the UN prevents Ecstasy from being "brand name" but that's another story.)

Or do you fail to recognize that there's little reason to buy an illegal form of alcohol when alcohol has been made legal but is highly taxed?

[waiyu]

Of course I know about DU. I’m on PJ-Comix’s Ping List.

[Gondring]

I’m reminded of the liberal talk show callers who always announce that they’re lifelong Republicans as soon as they get on the air.

I'm reminded of the bricks in the chimney.

[Gondring]

Bingo.

So you agree with me...glad you finally understand.

[Mojave]

If Ecstasy were made legal but highly taxed, then you could say "Rachel's untaxed Methylenedioxymethamphetamine" was illegal"...

Sell taxed whiskey out of the trunk of your car. Send me a postcard from jail.

[Gondring]

Glad you get it. It's not good news when we have LEOs encouraging the breaking of laws, or that we set up the methods such that they encourage the use of citizens as tethered goats, or that the incentives are set up to encourage LEOs to use citizens as unpaid, untrained slave labor ("recruited" without supervision or labor-law oversight).

Now that you understand the problem with this mode of law enforcement destruction, I bid you goodnight.

[Mojave]

I'm reminded of the bricks in the chimney.

Bricks of what?

[Mojave]

So you agree with me...glad you finally understand.

Agreement with you would indicate a lack of understanding. Rachel wasn't a pharmacist, Ecstasy isn't medicine.