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Are Pot Users Criminals? The Tragic Case of Rachel Hoffman
ABC News ^ | July 24, 2008 | BRIAN ROSS and VIC WALTER

Posted on 07/25/2008 8:49:03 PM PDT by bamahead

After being caught twice with a "baggie" of marijuana, 23-year old Rachel Hoffman was reportedly told by police in Tallahassee, Florida that she would go to prison for four years unless she became an undercover informant.

The young woman, a recent graduate of Florida State University, was murdered during a botched sting operation two months ago.

"The idea of waging a war on drugs is to protect people and here it seems like we're putting people in harm's way," said Lance Block, a lawyer hired by Rachel's parents.

The Florida Attorney General's office says it is reviewing the procedures and protocol of the Tallahassee police.

"I'm calling her a criminal," Tallahassee police chief Dennis Jones told 20/20, who maintains that both drug dealers and drug users are considered criminals to his department.

Under Florida law, possession of more than 20 grams of marijuana is a felony.

The Tallahassee police chief says Rachel was suspected of selling drugs and she was rightly treated as a criminal.

"That's my job as a police chief to find these criminals in our community and take them off the street, to make the proper arrests," Jones told 20/20.

Rachel's case also is raising questions about how police recruit and use informants in undercover operations.

"There need to be some safeguards here," said Block, the Hoffman family lawyer.

The young woman received no training before being sent to an undercover meeting to buy a large amount of drugs and a handgun from two suspects.

Police says Rachel was killed by the very handgun she was supposed to buy.

"I don't think she understood the risk or danger that she was in," said Block.

Rachel was in a drug court diversion program when she became an informant.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: baronmunchiehausen; criminals; donutwatch; jbts; lawsuit; libertarians; munchies; pot; potheadalert; potheads; themunchies; wod; wosd
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To: BreezyDog

Baby boomers are over 40, a protected class, you can’t not hire them for that, its discrimination, and age discrimination will cost a business plenty.


101 posted on 07/25/2008 10:15:44 PM PDT by Redcoat1982
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To: Redcoat1982

I beg to differ Limey. Cut off for baby boomerdom is 1964. I was born in 1965.


102 posted on 07/25/2008 10:17:43 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: ConservaTexan
Let me get this straight..

So if they busted your 22 year old daughter for pot, it's OK with you if some 290 pound hogjawed AH sits her in a room and threatens her 2 years in the joint, or go out and make dope and gun buys for us, while unarmed and untrained...

This is OK with you?

103 posted on 07/25/2008 10:17:55 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: ConservaTexan
So you believe that she was completely innocent and had never used drugs?

Re-read my last post to you. No sense retyping something if you're not going to address it.

104 posted on 07/25/2008 10:19:03 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: BreezyDog

If you call me a Limey based on my screen name, then you must be a flatulent canine.


105 posted on 07/25/2008 10:19:26 PM PDT by Redcoat1982
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To: Redcoat1982
If you call me a Limey based on my screen name, then you must be a flatulent canine.

Nothing personal. One of my best friends name is Nigel...;-)

106 posted on 07/25/2008 10:23:20 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: I see my hands
In your post #19 you specifically pointed to using pot as having negative consequences.

I said doing drugs (even marijuana) has negative consequences. If she had not been busted in possession of marijuana a second time, would she still be alive? I guess, in her case at least, that mj was inherently gangerous.

She died in the execution of a sting she was coerced into.

...to avoid four years in prison.

107 posted on 07/25/2008 10:24:40 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: bamahead

I would bet that Ms Hoffman did not have to deal with people that used guns in her dealings of little bags of pot. If the police knowingly sent her in to buy guns, they should be prosecuted for manslaughter, as Ms Hoffman was a drug dealer not a gun dealer.


108 posted on 07/25/2008 10:24:46 PM PDT by government is the beast
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To: BreezyDog

For the record, not a Brit.

Redcoats means something else to me, its a mascot name.


109 posted on 07/25/2008 10:24:56 PM PDT by Redcoat1982
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To: dalereed
One, hell over the years I probablu canned 50 usless bastards for using pot.

Sounds to me like you're not very good at hiring.

110 posted on 07/25/2008 10:25:14 PM PDT by jmc813 (Scattered, smothered, covered, diced, chunked)
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To: dalereed
One, hell over the years I probablu canned 50 usless bastards for using pot.

I've heard that excessive pot smoking can start affecting your spelling. ;)



[LOL, just kidding Dale, couldn't help myself! ]
111 posted on 07/25/2008 10:26:38 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: Redcoat1982

Why stop at only the drugs you like? Opium is made by God too, so you say that everything that’s natural is good. Clearly that should be legalized on the same grounds right?

Or are you a hypocrite?


112 posted on 07/25/2008 10:27:23 PM PDT by MartinStyles
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To: dalereed
> “How did you catch them? On the job?”

yes.

All 50 of them?
BS.

113 posted on 07/25/2008 10:27:47 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: jmc813

“Sounds to me like you’re not very good at hiring.”

In construction uou don’t intervieww the grunts before hiring.


114 posted on 07/25/2008 10:28:02 PM PDT by dalereed (both)
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To: dalereed
probablu canned 50 usless bastards for using pot.

“How did you catch them? On the job?”

yes.

Let me get this straight, so in your business, over a period of time, you walked up and found over 50 people smoking pot?

Is that right?

115 posted on 07/25/2008 10:29:10 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Redcoat1982

So sorry. The screen name and use of the term “at university” in a previous post kind of clued me in. Where are you from?


116 posted on 07/25/2008 10:29:17 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: dalereed

Singapore pretty much does that, and has very little drug problems. I’d go on their model. The pothead hippies on here are ridiculous with their ‘it doesn’t affect anyone negatively’ nonsense.


117 posted on 07/25/2008 10:29:34 PM PDT by MartinStyles
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To: dread78645

It’s not hard when you are talking about 5-600 people a year.


118 posted on 07/25/2008 10:29:39 PM PDT by dalereed (both)
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To: MartinStyles

Opium must be processed.

Pot grows wild.

BTW, Opium is used for pharmaceuticals, Morphine helps millions.


119 posted on 07/25/2008 10:30:12 PM PDT by Redcoat1982
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To: HAL9000
"Of course, there would be a lot more addicts"

Why do you say that? Would you abuse opiates just because they were available legally for recreational use? I'm guessing not. Why do you think others would?

People who want to abuse drugs will acquire them and abuse them legality notwithstanding.


120 posted on 07/25/2008 10:32:01 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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