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The Odd World of E-School Teachers
The Washington Post ^ | July 25, 2008 | Ian Shapira

Posted on 07/24/2008 10:45:18 PM PDT by Amelia

...Educators who supplement or replace their day jobs with online teaching for local public schools are discovering that the perks of working at home come with hurdles: grappling with awkward or confusing lines of communication with their pupils; gauging student performance without seeing facial expressions; and struggling to withstand the urge to check e-mails from students during weekends.

Online courses, mostly in high schools, have proliferated in recent years despite debate about their effectiveness compared with face-to-face instruction. The number of times students enrolled in distance education courses connected with public schools (using Internet, two-way video or other technologies) rose from about 317,000 in 2002-03 to more than 506,000 in 2004-05, the National Center for Education Statistics reported in June. That's a 60 percent increase. In at least 66 percent of the cases, the report says, students earned credit with a passing grade.

Such students could be taking advanced courses unavailable at local schools, fulfilling graduation requirements or pursuing online schooling for other reasons. Prince William's Virtual High, for instance, is open to all students enrolled in a regular high school and rising ninth-graders; it also accepts some home-schooled students....

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Interesting. There has been a lot of discussion about online courses recently, and more states and districts are offering them.
1 posted on 07/24/2008 10:45:18 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Gabz; SoftballMominVA; abclily; aberaussie; albertp; AliVeritas; Amelia; A_perfect_lady; ...

Public Education Ping

This list is for intellectual discussion of articles and issues related to public education (including charter schools) from the preschool to university level. Items more appropriately placed on the “Naughty Teacher” list, “Another reason to Homeschool” list, or of a general public-school-bashing nature will not be pinged. If you would like to be on or off this list, please freepmail Amelia, Gabz, Shag377, or SoftballMominVa
2 posted on 07/24/2008 10:46:18 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

To the author of the article:

Oh, boo hoo.

Big surprise that a job has benefits and “hurdles.” NOT.

There’s nothing insurmountable or earth-shattering here. These courses are the wave of the future, except the future is now. Sure, there are things to work out, but they will be worked out. More and more students will choose to get their education in a variety of formats, with the traditional on-campus classroom becoming less and less primary over time.


3 posted on 07/24/2008 11:04:36 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: fightinJAG
Do I look worried?

Some of these jobs pay full benefits. $300 per student per course is more money than I make now, assuming the same number of students per year.

By teaching at a virtual school, I could teach sitting at home in sweatpants or running shorts, work fewer hours per day, probably also have the house cleaned and supper cooked before my husband got home, FReep a little during the day, and not have to worry about high gasoline prices.

Oh, yeah, and like the article said, no cafeteria duty!

What's not to like? ;-)

4 posted on 07/24/2008 11:33:07 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

Exactly!

Also, I have always said that the quickest, cheapest and most efficient way to fix traffic woes all across the fruited plain is for everyone who can work from home to do so.


5 posted on 07/24/2008 11:54:58 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: Amelia

Sign me up


6 posted on 07/25/2008 4:03:32 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Amelia; All

I do this. I teach virtual part time.

It does have some rather nice perks, like being able to work from home, in your pjs, etc.

These perks do come with drawbacks. To wit:
1. You are not guaranteed anything. Yes, you get paid on a per kid basis, but you may not get enough to justify living expenses. One of my colleagues has five (5) students for the fall.
2. You are an independent contracted individual. That means no retirement, insurance or taxes. You pay taxes once/year.

These drawbacks are minimal as the technology allows all but true face to face connections. We use a program called Elluminate which has real time conversation capability. Works wonderfully for world language teachers such as myself.:)

Also, it provides opportunities to some smaller, rural schools to get AP courses. Georgia Virtual has about 20 AP offerings, and we are working on more. Wanna take Japanese? We got that.:) AP French? Oui. AP Math/Science/English/Econ? Yep.

If I thought I could make it working on line, you bet your boots I would do it.:)


7 posted on 07/25/2008 5:05:11 AM PDT by shag377 (Illegitimis nil carborundum sunt!)
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To: wintertime

Ping for later read.


8 posted on 07/25/2008 6:14:53 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: fightinJAG
I have always said that the quickest, cheapest and most efficient way to fix traffic woes all across the fruited plain is for everyone who can work from home to do so.

I would love to do so!

9 posted on 07/25/2008 6:17:52 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
without seeing facial expressions
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Wow! Count on the government not to know about or use **web cams**!

The math tutors in India use them routinely. They can also check work **immediately** through e-mail, scanning, and fax.

Highly experienced teachers, with masters and Ph.D. work for $200 to $600 a month!

10 posted on 07/25/2008 6:18:19 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Amelia

sweatpants or running shorts,
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With web cams you may not want to do that.


11 posted on 07/25/2008 6:20:44 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: shag377
We use a program called Elluminate which has real time conversation capability.

That's very cool - so you can check pronunciation in addition to grammar, etc, then?

I am not sure if I would totally like being an online teacher. I think I'd miss the whole-class interaction sometimes.

Also, it seems to me that this form of instruction would work best (at least right now) for visual learners and more motivated students. Many of my students are more auditory and kinesthetic, and we do a lot of hands-on activities that would not translate well to online.

12 posted on 07/25/2008 6:22:52 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: wintertime
Highly experienced teachers, with masters and Ph.D. work for $200 to $600 a month!

Oh boy! Outsourcing education! I hope these tutors are easier to understand than the Indians manning tech help lines...

The link to that you provided me yesterday did not work, so I googled and found a couple of articles: here and here.

It looks as if most of these tutors charge $20 an hour or more, and since costs of living are much less in India, the tutors are making a relative fortune.

The article notes that there is an oversupply of people with math and science degrees in India, and a shortage of qualified math and science teachers in the U.S. (probably because we can make much more money in industry) so maybe it's a good match.

13 posted on 07/25/2008 6:38:29 AM PDT by Amelia
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Oh boy! Outsourcing education! I hope these tutors are easier to understand than the Indians manning tech help lines...
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Tom Friedman states that accent reduction classes are common and often mandatory for those working on call lines. I expect that the accent problem will fade in time. These jobs are **highly** competitive and the motivation is there to reduce the typical Indian accent.

Tom Friedman reports that the tutors working for tutoring businesses make about $200 to $600 a month.

This is a brand new field. The independent Indian tutor may be charging $20 and hour or more because that is the going rate now in the U.S. I expect that the prices will drop considerably as this industry matures and more Indians catch on to the idea and more education companies are established.

One more comment.

It took my son about 3 months to finish the entire first grade Calvert homeschool correspondence course.

So....Why not extend on-line learning to elementary and middle schoolers? Many elementary students could zoom ahead in selected subjects on the weekend, summers, and vacations. Math would be especially adaptable to this format. Other subjects well suited might be social studies or foreign languages.

By the way, EducationNews.Org has an interesting interview concerning on-line education on today's blog. I will start a thread on it. Unfortunately, again, the on-line learning is confined to high school.

14 posted on 07/25/2008 6:54:47 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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As far as WebCams go - they are a HUGE, INCREDIBLE NO NO NO NO!!! When at home many of the kids are in their bedrooms and no adult outside my family needs to be looking into my child's room. It opens up a world that no one wants to travel. Eluminate is a good program and is one that mine used in her 5 online AP classes, but as a parent, I would have REFUSED to allow a webcam in our home - to the level that I would have removed her from the class first. In fact, if I remember right (and I think I do) I had to send in a notarized permission form to allow any pictures of my daughter or any of her work to be displayed online.

Anyone who thinks a webcam is a good idea is plumb crazy and naive to a stupid level

15 posted on 07/25/2008 7:10:55 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Amelia
My neice works as a elementary school math tutor in a Washington, D.C. suburb. She charges 60$ an hour and has a full schedule of students. She began by advertising on Craig's list, and that now all of her new students are through word of mouth.

Indian teachers can surely advertise on Craig's list, and they too can later build their professional practices through word of mouth. It is for this reason that I expect the cost of tutoring to drop dramatically very soon in the comming years.

Also, given the technology of webcam, e-mail, fax, scanning, PC tablets, etc. I see no reason why children in the U.S. couldn't have their own personal and inexpensive elementary or middle school teacher. As I have previously posted, personal tutor is amazingly efficient. ( about 2 hours) a day.

Finally,...I think drawing the line at high school for on-line tutoring is an artificial boundary for age.

By the way, I enjoyed the links. Thank you.

16 posted on 07/25/2008 7:11:30 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Amelia

That should be “niece” and “coming”.


17 posted on 07/25/2008 7:12:20 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: SoftballMominVA
When at home many of the kids are in their bedrooms and no adult outside my family needs to be looking into my child's room.
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Webcam in the bedroom? Unsupervised tutoring?

Well...These parents are so stupid that **indeed** their children should be institutionalized.

18 posted on 07/25/2008 7:14:42 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Amelia

My children are homeschooled and I used a writing course with teachers called Write@Home. Very good program and the children progressed dramatically.

Between the programmed self instruction courses like Teaching text book and the dvd courses like the Teaching Company, school is going to look very different in the next ten years.


19 posted on 07/25/2008 7:15:07 AM PDT by Chickensoup ('08 VOTING, NOT for the GOP, but INSTEAD, for the SUPREME COURT that will be BEST for my FAMILY!!)
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To: Amelia

actually I think the REAL future of education is to have MORE online offerings. this will make it far more easy to have something closer to homeschooling.

Of course the need to to have it be more automated for the base courses so a human (see NEA incompetent) is not in the mix.


20 posted on 07/25/2008 7:17:42 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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