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VINCE FOSTER'S DEATH (15th anniversary on July 20)
boogieonline ^ | July 2008

Posted on 07/20/2008 7:42:23 PM PDT by doug from upland

Vince Foster's Death

In July 1993, Clinton aide Vince Foster was found dead in a Virginia park. The death was officially pronounced a suicide, but rumors abounded that Foster was murdered. Foster's death has ties to several White House scandals, including the administration's handling of "Travelgate," the Waco incident and the Whitewater affair.

The Whitewater Connection

Kenneth Starr, special counsel in charge of the Whitewater investigation, investigated Foster's death and what relationship it might have had with Whitewater.

In three articles in the Electronic Telegraph, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard reported on the investigation and the possibility of a coverup. In March 20, 1995's "Doubts Linger Over Clinton Aide's 'Suicide'", Evans-Pritchard reported:

A series of U.S. media reports has stated that Kenneth Starr, the special counsel probing the Whitewater scandal over an unsuccessful Arkansas development company half-owned by Bill and Hillary Clinton, is wrapping up his probe of Foster's death. ... But ... if anything, he has been stepping up his investigation. He has called 11 witnesses before a federal grand jury in Washington, and has elicited testimony from three of them that suggests the body was moved and that the crime scene was tampered with in a police cover-up.

[Starr's] investigators are disturbed by conflicting testimony from witnesses about Foster's state of mind before his death. Key figures have changed their stories, raising suspicions that there may have been an orchestrated attempt after the fact to make it look as if Foster was in the grip of a deep depression.

There is no doubt that Foster was suffering a degree of depression. Lisa Foster told investigators that he was sleeping badly and suffering from a pounding heart. A week before his death he told his sister, Sheila Anthony, a top Justice Department official that he wanted to talk to a psychiatrist but needed assurances that nothing revealed in counselling sessions could be flushed out by subpoena at a later date.

A psychiatrist told the FBI that he was contacted on July 16 by Anthony, who explained that Foster was working on "Top Secret" issues at the White House and "that his depression was directly related to highly sensitive and confidential matters" (FBI file29D-LR-35063).

One of the suspicious circumstances around Foster's death is that White House staffers removed files from Foster's office on the night of his death. Files may have been related to the Whitewater affair, or to a NSA project Foster was working on, PROMIS software used to track international money flows.

Initial Whitewater investigator Robert Fiske issued a report ruling Foster's death a suicide. Nine days before the Senate Banking Committee held hearings on the death, Foster's family issued a statement endorsing the suicide verdict: "The family believe that questions as to how and why Vince died are now answered as best they can be. There is now no justification for painful, repetitious examination of these issues. The principal advocates for doing this appear chiefly motivated by mean-spirited partisanship."

However, the family did not write those words. Associate Attorney-General Sheila Anthony and her husband Beryl drafted the statement. Both are Democratic insiders with close Clinton ties.

In May 1, 1995's "White House aide was murdered, say experts," Evans-Pritchard details further evidence supporting the theory of murder and cover-up:

Vincent Foster, the deputy White House counsel, was probably murdered and his body carried into a park as part of a staged suicide, according to a team of independent crime-scene experts employed to investigate the death.

The private report is being taken extremely seriously by the official investigation of special counsel Kenneth Starr, according to sources close to the inquiry.

Foster was an intimate friend of Bill and Hillary Clinton and handled their personal financial affairs at the White House. The US Park Police concluded that he shot himself in the mouth on July 20, 1993. Two subsequent inquiries endorsed the suicide verdict, but Starr has reopened the investigation and has called witnesses for the first time before a federal grand jury.

At a press conference on Thursday one of the experts, retired New York Police detective Vincent Scalice, said that in almost 30 years of police work he could not recall "ever running across a situation where we found a body in a case of suicide that was so neatly arranged, with the gun so conveniently positioned in the hand in such a straight, orderly fashion".

The report said that the lack of blood on the front of the body was "inconsistent" with death by a gun shot through the mouth, raising the likelihood that Foster's heart had stopped before the gun was fired.

The report was commissioned by the Western Journalism Center, a California group that supports investigative journalism.

The experts said that Foster was supposed to have walked 700 feet through a park, yet there was no soil or grass on his shoes. There was also no blood splatter on the vegetation and ground.

In May 22, 1995's "Secret Swiss link to White House death," Evans-Pritchard details revelations that Foster made unusual trips to Switzerland.

Foster flew to Switzerland on November 1, 1991 -- during the early stages of Bill Clinton's presidential bid -- returning November 3, giving him just one day on the ground. A year later, he did the same thing, flying to Switzerland December 7, 1992, -- during Clinton's presidential transition period -- and returning December 9. On July 1, 1993, he purchased another ticket to Switzerland, but never went. He received a refund for the unused ticket on July 8. He died less than two weeks later.

The Switzerland trips were just some of Foster's frequent flying. At the time of his death he had acquired more than 500,000 freqent flyer miles.

The Waco Connection

Foster's widow blames his depression on the massacre of the Branch Davidians at Waco, Texas, according to the FBI. "Lisa Foster believes that Foster was horrified when the Branch Davidian complex burned. Foster believed that everything was his fault," the FBI wrote of their interview with Lisa Foster.

A strange form of support for that theory comes in the form of a car burglary. The July 14, 1995 News and Observer reported that White House lawyer Cheryl Mills had her car broken into after preparing for a Senate hearing on Whitewater. In addition to her wallet, the burglar stole a gym bag containing Mills' notes on the Foster affair and on Waco.

During the 1995 U.S. House hearings on Waco, Texas Rangers disclosed that when they were in dispute with the FBI about the destruction of evidence, someone in the Texas Governor's office gave them Vince Foster's phone number to contact. The hearings revealed that the only document found in Foster's Waco file was a memorandum that Foster was forwarding "Waco, the Big Lie" (a videotape charging government conspiracy) to to the Treasury Department.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: anniversary; clintonlegacy; foster; ftmarcypark; hillary; vincefoster
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To: doug from upland
Skip to comments.(reprise) DFU SONG: Battle of New Orleans (the Vince Foster body moving anniversary song)
DFU SONGS | 7-2006 | Lyrics, Doug from Upland

Posted on 07/20/2006 4:07:29 PM PDT by doug from upland

I met Patrick Knowlton. He was one of the keys to the case. How Vince got to the park has still never been solved. Trooper Roger Perry was on duty at the Governor's Mansion in Arkansas when he received the phone call from Helen Dickey (Chelsea's nanny). That call was at about the time the body was found. Clinton claims he found out a couple hours later when he was on Larry King. Dickey lied in her testimony to D'Amato's committee and claimed she learned about the death hours later. Perry and Larry Patterson wanted to testify but D'Amato refused to call them. Had they testified, that would have ended the Clinton presidency.

MIDI - BATTLE OF NEW ORLEANS

I'm stuck in traffic and really had to pee
And can't believe this kind of thing is happenin' to me
I'm lookin' for a restroom but there isn't one to find
So I know that trouble's brewin' and I'm really in a bind

I tensed all up but I knew I wouldn't make it
That mean old Mother Nature is the one I've often cursed
I'd hold my breath but knew I couldn't fake it
If I'm not pullin' over soon my bladder's gonna burst

A mile down the road I think I might a seen a sign
And I think it said McDonalds and to me that's mighty fine
I'm shakin' all over, people thought it was a dance
But there's no way in Hades that I wanna mess my pants

I tensed all up but I knew I wouldn't make it
That mean old Mother Nature is the one I've often cursed
I'd hold my breath but knew I couldn't fake it
If I'm not pullin' over soon my bladder's gonna burst

The pain was growin' so I'm pullin' over quick
I just gotta find a place because I think I'm gettin' sick
I saw "Ft. Marcy" and I started yelling "hark!"
There will be a tree and I will just go tinkle in the park

I tensed all up but I knew I wouldn't make it
That mean old Mother Nature is the one I've often cursed
I'd hold my breath but knew I couldn't fake it
If I'm not pullin' over soon my bladder's gonna burst

Well, I jump from my car but there's some fella watchin'
He's glarin', I know that he's as mean as he could be
I quickly walk to a tree by a cannon
I didn't want no trouble I just had to take a pee

I'm zippin' my zipper and I'm getting' in my car
But the thug is there, I'm wonderin' if I'll be gettin' far
I saw two cars that later I was able to describe
I'd tell the truth, I'd tell it straight and never take a bribe

I tensed all up but I knew I wouldn't make it
And mean old Mother Nature is the one I've often cursed
I'd hold my breath but knew I couldn't fake it
If I'm not pullin' over soon my bladder's gonna burst

Then harassment was startin' by some guys a packin'
They were watchin', they're bumpin' me wherever I would go
'Cause that's the time that they dumped poor ol' Foster
Those guys had done him in that day, I didn't even know

41 posted on 07/20/2008 10:05:37 PM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: doug from upland

BM


42 posted on 07/20/2008 10:13:14 PM PDT by scott7278 ("Before I give you the benefit of my reply, I would like to know what we are talking about.")
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To: doug from upland

I was at the MFJ after event function and asked one of the forum participants about the Harold Ickes connection to the Clintons and by whom Ickes was being paid. I remember being quite surprised that the guy’s attorney interrupted and did not want his client to answer my question. I found that to be very strange.


43 posted on 07/20/2008 10:17:54 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: tang-soo

You left off Harold Ickes.


44 posted on 07/20/2008 10:20:37 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: doug from upland

I was pretty naive about conspiracy theories until Foster’s death. Since then I have become a huge believer in the JFK murder conspiracy and others. If the klintons could cover up a murder of Foster so blatantly then obviously others could have done it as well. Of course the klintons are extraordinary liars and manipulators.


45 posted on 07/20/2008 10:29:03 PM PDT by strongbow
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To: SeaHawkFan

Ickes is a very dangerous person.


46 posted on 07/20/2008 10:32:35 PM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: doug from upland

BTW, Doug, thank you for remembering this calendar date in our nation’s shameful past. God help us if the clinton crime family ever gets back into such high office, they will never give it back to a free Republic.


47 posted on 07/20/2008 10:53:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Mocking the Chappaquiddick Lifeguard on this weekend - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMqOe5iBQEI

Mocking him in opera - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MZQl_HwMYA


48 posted on 07/20/2008 11:49:37 PM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: doug from upland

bump to read about this unsolved murder later


49 posted on 07/21/2008 12:07:45 AM PDT by TigersEye (Drill or get off the Hill. ... call Nancy Pelosi @ 202 - 225 - 0100)
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To: doug from upland

I think Ickes’ mob ties had something to do with Foster’s murder.


50 posted on 07/21/2008 4:49:12 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: doug from upland

Historical BUMP!


51 posted on 07/21/2008 12:53:19 PM PDT by Pagey (Horrible Hillary Clinton is Bad For America, Bad For Business and Bad For MY Stomach!)
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To: doug from upland

FWIW, I used to work with a guy whose former job was with the first President Bush. He and his wife lived a couple hundred feet from Fort Marcy Park and were home when the alleged suicide happened.

He and the wife heard NOTHING. This from a park where they could hear kids playing every day. But no gunshot, which I’d think is louder than most kids.


52 posted on 07/21/2008 12:58:46 PM PDT by Xenalyte (~ ~ FREE LAZAMATAZ! ~ ~)
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To: tang-soo

Holy cat! Do you know how long it would take to Google all those?


53 posted on 07/21/2008 1:01:18 PM PDT by Xenalyte (~ ~ FREE LAZAMATAZ! ~ ~)
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To: BenLurkin
Where is Craig Livingstone today?

A few years back he was a limo driver in the Washington, DC area. Not sure of his current status, could be he's still driving a limo.

54 posted on 07/21/2008 1:04:39 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: surelyclintonsbaddream

Ping!


55 posted on 07/25/2008 8:19:02 PM PDT by scott7278 ("Before I give you the benefit of my reply, I would like to know what we are talking about.")
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To: exit82
Let's hope the truth comes out someday about Vince Foster's death. The truth is probably stranger than any of us realizes.

Ditto's...

56 posted on 07/30/2008 1:18:25 PM PDT by vox_freedom
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To: doug from upland

self ping for later read


57 posted on 07/30/2008 1:30:43 PM PDT by advertising guy (if you can read this,thank a teacher...if you can read this in english,thank a soldier)
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To: doug from upland

BTTT for later.

Long time no see Doug


58 posted on 08/20/2008 4:17:45 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: doug from upland

Anniversary bump


59 posted on 07/20/2009 11:46:42 AM PDT by murdoog
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To: doug from upland

Man, I feel old.


60 posted on 07/26/2009 8:30:04 PM PDT by goseminoles
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