Debunking Larry Sinclair: Obama Accuser Allegations Based on Time Travel

DBKP ^ | July 18, 2008 | LBG

[mondoreb]

Sinclair Claims He Contacted Obama, Press TWO Months Before Event Actually Happened Debunking Larry Sinclair: Part One of a 3-part series

Larry Sinclair's Magic Trip Through Time

Part 1: The forest for the trees...

I'm challenging Mr. Obama to come forth, be honest, stop claiming that his drug use is limited to his teenaged years. In 1999 you weren't a teenager, in 1999 you were a state representative for the people of of the state of Illinois. In 1999, I performed oral sex on you in the back of my limo as well as my hotel room in Gurnee, Illinois two days later. --Larry Sinclair - Youtube video - January 17, 2008

Larry Sinclair, the man who accused Barack Obama of engaging in a sexual tryst while imbibing illegal drugs in November of 1999, arrived on the cyber-space scene via Youtube in January.

Sinclair gave additional "details" in subsequent cyber-talk interviews. Some of the "details" from Sinclair's story included:

~Sinclair's explanation as to why he was in the Chicago area;

~A copy of a letter from Choice Hotels International;

~How Sinclair "met" Obama;

~The name of the "upscale lounge" where Sinclair claimed the two had drinks and Obama made a phone call to "purchase cocaine" for Sinclair;

~And, at times, overly-vivid descriptions of the two alleged sexual encounters.

It was those details--and a slew of others--to which cyber-sleuths turned their attention in order to disprove Sinclair's story.

Yet, there was one detail that escaped attention. This "detail" went to the very foundation of Sinclair's story and has gone unnoticed--until now: the "reason" Sinclair gave as to why he "came forward" with his accusations against Senator Obama.

Why Sinclair Came Forward

[mondoreb]

This first part debunks Sinclair's claim that he was moved to come forward with his story after watching Obama on TV talk to "young persons". He says he then emailed and called the Obama camp and press in September 2007. But Obama didn't address any young people about drugs until November 2007--the first time he addressed the issue on the campaign trail.

[ConservativeMind]

Thank you for posting the pro-Obama articles others don’t.

[TexasCajun]

Larry ping.

[TexasCajun]

Most everyone has now seen Larry's Youtube videos and press conference.

But, have you met Buster McDermott?

[Soliton]

Thank you for posting the pro-Obama articles others don’t.

It isn't a pro-Obama article. You can hate Obama and still think Sinclair is a lying fraud. In fact you would be stupid under ANY circumstances to think Sinclair isn't a lying fraud. He admitted it and he has been convicted of it.

[OldYank1]

Am I missing something? Where or when did Sinclair claim the encounter with the “young person” was at a campaign youth event? Could he not be referring to a one-on-one encounter at some other earlier date?

I think it stretches it a bit to claim “debunking” based on a record of when he first had a TV talk with a bunch of kids. I would think it would be very reasonable to “test” youth interaction long before going on TV in front of the nation. Obama probably talked to hundreds of kids prior to the TV talk.

I am not saying I believe Sinclair but I have seen this sort of democratic “nip it in the bud”, “sweep it under the rug quick”, “attack the messenger” strategy before.

I think there should be a lot more evidence provided before dismissing Sinclair as a “Time Traveler”.

[muawiyah]

And..... tell us the "details" of that "fraud conviction"?

I thought it was for forging a signature on someone else's tax refund check, and a couple of other things of a similar nature.

Immediately made me wonder why he wasn't hit by the federales with a Mail Fraud charge.

Apparantly the federales didn't get involved in this.

Why this is important is that Mail Fraud is NOT simple fraud. It almost always involves writing a check to someone else (or accepting a check from someone else) pursuant to involvement in a criminal scheme. Simple theft, e.g. forging a signature on someone else's check, usually isn't treated as mail fraud (although I believe under some theories it can be, but theft is usually a heafty enough charge to hang on anyone).

In any case no one should be surprised that a check stealing, coke using, low life petty criminal would come into Obama's circles. Tony Rezko is the same thing ~ just on a larger scale.

[Maverick68]

Can anyone prove that Obama is more honest than Sinclair?

[mondoreb]

If you can find any record of this before November 2007, I'm all ears. We couldn't. Sinclair has also stated in his interviews: he didn't read Obama's books and that he saw Obama on TV talking to "young persons" (he said "young people" in one interview). We've listened to every recorded word Larry Sinclair has made in the last 6 months. There is much more to come the next two days. But we are not writing these for the people who are convinced--in spite of no evidence--that Larry is telling the truth. We're writing for our open-minded readers. If after hearing the facts, you're still convinced Larry is telling the truth, so be it. Some of my other "Obama puff pieces" (except for the first one, all written in the last 90 days; and, this is not all of them.): * Video: Barack Obama’s Three-point Surrender Plan * Barack Obama: Whitey Tape Means Michelle O. is Going On a Trip–Under the Bus * Barack Obama: His Uncle May Have Been in Attic–But Not Auschwitz * Obama Hoping Enough Voters Too Young to Remember Last CHANGEs * Obama: Putting out the Fires of Jihad with Gasoline * Obama: Clearing Up Any Muslim Misunderstandings * Anti-Obama Blogs Shut Down by Google, Obamabots * Rare Video: Did Obama Give Hillary the Finger? * Obama Video: Barack the Blazing Liberal * New Suggestion for the Great Seal of Obama * Smear, Inc: Obama Enemy List Published on FighttheSmears.com * Obama Supporters: Hoping for Che-Che-Che-Changes * Obama, Mainstream Media: Right Color Was More Important than Right Stuff * Best Two Obama Pix You’ll See All Day I just love Obama! Thanx for taking the time to comment, though.

[mondoreb]

Glad you asked! It's very close: Barack Obama, Larry Sinclair: DBKP Comparison Challenge

[steve-b]

That explains the odd blue phone booth he was calling from....

[muawiyah]

What you have to do is search Chicagolad PUBLIC ACCESS TV.

There's probably a world of material out there and your search has only just begun.

I would imagine Obama practiced or tried out his schtick several times in media without a broad readership. Then, if it was successful, moved on to the big time, e.g. WGN maybe, and then on up to the local network affiliates.

BTW, I don't have to believe Sinclair is truthful to know that any Chicago politician is a lowdown, backstabbing, thieving crook of the first order.

[jmc813]

Thank you for posting the pro-Obama articles others don’t.

It's not a "pro-Obama article". Freepers by association look like retards because of this Sinclair nonsense. It needs to die, stat.

[ravingnutter]

Hmmm....from a Sep 2007 speech at Howard University:

When I'm President, we will no longer accept the false choice between being tough on crime and vigilant in our pursuit of justice. Dr. King said it's not either-or, it's both-and. We can have a crime policy that's both tough and smart. If you're convicted of a crime involving drugs, of course you should be punished. But let's not make the punishment for crack cocaine that much more severe than the punishment for powder cocaine when the real difference between the two is the skin color of the people using them. Judges think that's wrong. Republicans think that's wrong. Democrats think that's wrong, and yet it's been approved by Republican and Democratic Presidents because no one has been willing to brave the politics and make it right. That will end when I am President.

I think it's time we also took a hard look at the wisdom of locking up some first-time, non-violent drug users for decades. Someone once said that "...long minimum sentences for first-time users may not be the best way to occupy jail space and/or heal people from their disease." That someone was George W. Bush - six years ago. I don't say this very often, but I agree with the President. The difference is, he hasn't done anything about it. When I'm President, I will. We will review these sentences to see where we can be smarter on crime and reduce the blind and counterproductive warehousing of non-violent offenders. And we will give first-time, non-violent drug offenders a chance to serve their sentence, where appropriate, in the type of drug rehabilitation programs that have proven to work better than a prison term in changing bad behavior. So let's reform this system. Let's do what's smart. Let's do what's just.

barackobama.com

Young people doesn't necessarily mean high school students and while not discussing his own drug use, he certainly is addressing the issue in this speech. Was it televised? Not sure, but it was on YouTube. You remember Howard University right? That is the one where Rev. Wright made his famous sermon blaming America for starting the AIDS.

[Col Freeper]

[Thank you for posting the pro-Obama articles others don’t.]

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With all due courtesy FRiend,

While the tale of Larry Sinclair vs Obama is tawdry, it will be cussed, and discussed (even here on FR) until the truth of the issue is revealed.

So, if articles about Sinclair's claims about Obama can be found here on FR, then articles about their truthfulness, should be here as well. (FR's Mods adequately eliminate Troll postings.)

The truth is more important than whether Sinclair or Obama “win” the argument.

FR won't lose it's conservative badge just because a post purports to show that Sinclair is falsely accusing Obama.

In fact, such postings, and their subsequent comments show just how strongly FR operates as a vibrant and open discussion forum.

Obama has a lot of other baggage which will weigh him down between now and the election. Time will tell whether this issue is one of them.

Best regards.

[Hot Tabasco]

like retards because of this Sinclair nonsense

I'm surprised too at the number of folks who are believing this lying psycho......But then again, OJ had his supporters too........

[Sister_T]

Interesting find.

[seekthetruth]

“Obama has a lot of other baggage which will weigh him down between now and the election. Time will tell whether this issue is one of them.”

Yes, whether Larry Sinclair’s claims become an issue or not remains to be seen. There must be other baggage that has changed someone’s mind about supporting Obama. Listen to Ariana Huffington below. Perhaps the tide is beginning to turn on Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8FgPsXXJek

[seekthetruth]

Sorry, Another Freeper told me that this video clip was a snippet from her list of why Conservatives do not like Obama. If anyone has the whole speech she gave, I would certainly like the link to clear up my mistake in thinking she actually changed her mind when she has NOT about her support for Obama. She STILL supports Obama.