Posted on 07/17/2008 8:16:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
A horrific news story has slowly made its way into the headlines here in the Twin Cities. A local resident, his wife and three daughters spent the evening of the Fourth of July at Valleyfair, a local amusement park. They were leaving the park at midnight when a criminal began to molest his twelve-year-old daughter.
The father intervened to defend his daughter, and the offender put out a call for his "homies." Eight "men" materialized and began to beat up the father. They knocked him to the ground and took turns stomping on his head. The man's wife and daughters tried to protect him, unsuccessfully, and Valleyfair's security guards apparently tried to help, but ineffectually.
The father is still hospitalized, but the criminals are out on bail. The family's name is being kept secret, lest the criminals find them and kill them to avoid prosecution.
Initially, the local media downplayed the story, presumably because of the race of the criminals. But today, the Minneapolis Star Tribune broke down and covered it. Still, the story was apparently too hot for the paper to allow comments; if you follow the link, you'll see that, contrary to the Star Tribune's usual policy, it is impossible to comment.
The story is an infuriating one in several ways, but what strikes me most forcibly is that it would have been a good thing if a few armed citizens had happened by while the assault was in progress. It's no surprise that the victim's wife and daughters couldn't protect him from eight "men," and apparently Valleyfair's security force is unarmed. So the optimal outcome here would have been for one or more normal citizens to pull a firearm, shoot a couple of the criminals, and hold the rest until the police arrived. Criminals who carry out outrageous assaults in public do so on the assumption that passersby will not be able to stop them. Absent firearms, that assumption is reasonable. So let's hear it for concealed carry.
Under Minnesota law, any business can ban guns on its premises, and, while a few minutes of research yielded nothing, I assume that Valleyfair bans guns, as most businesses that are open to the public do. This strikes me as a mistake. Against a gang such as the one that is now on the loose in the Twin Cities, only armed citizens can be effective.
I only caryy 20 of 9mm FMJ in two clips. But I practice, and a couple head shots will prob end most situations I’m likely to ever find myself in. Would have ended this one. Then again, stories like this make me think about upgrading my caliber. (Sometime in winter I carry a .357 or even a .50AE, but that’s a rare occasion.)
This is where the shooting should have begun. Don't think he'd have shot you if the situation was reversed?
I think hussein has in mind something along the lines of "fruits of islam" rather than "I tell you sir, the militia is the whole of the people".
A McCiever ammo box
“Fourty ROunds, Sir” 13th Infantry Moto
Where do you fit a Desert Eagle?
Gotcha
Also a good argument for lynching.
I seem to recall some Freepers blaming the wife for not beating up the eight attackers, and a lot of “if I’da been there” BS. The keyboard commandos were out in force. (Or rather, safely behind their keyboards in force)
Sounds like 13 plus 1 in the gun, and 2 spare mags. You can do that with Para-ordinance, and others, I believe.
as did some chump freepers who castigated me right off the bat.
Big bulky ski coat (old style), baggy jeans, barrel held by elastic strap against the inside thigh with hand grip laid over the waist line along hip, doesn’t show at all as long as I keep the coat on.
I’m having a hard time figuring out where exactly you anchor that Desert Eagle...
13 round mag plus one in the pipe equals 14 rounds. Plus two spare mags with 13 rounds each. 40 total rounds.
That's a light load. Those with a 9 mm carry 52 rounds. But .45 is more effective, especially in the winter, when people have lots of layers.
Yes, I guess. I’m used to thinking along the lines of the classic single stack 7-8 round .45s.
Understood
You got it. XD-45 for me.
I've never cared for the 1911. XD-45 is what convinced me to go to the .45 ACP round.
Just curious, but why FMJ? Only thing I use that for is target practice, although I've heard it's better in bear country than hollow points. Unless you're in NJ, which means you can't CCW anyway.
I prefer .40 or .45, but I do have some mouse guns in .380, the theory being that a .380 in the pocket is better than a .45 back home. If you're good with 9mm then there's probably no need to upgrade.
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