Myth of Consensus Explodes: APS Opens Debate On Global Warming

Daily Tech ^ | 7/16/2008 | Michael Asher, Daily Tech

[freedomfiter2]

It is AMAZING how easily all of our best scientific bodies have been duped by global warming.

That’s because most “scientists” are primarily concerned with politics and money. Science comes way down on the list.

[Antoninus]

Google searches for “global warming” and “climate change” are way down too. The tide has turned.

I knew the tide had turned when advertising gurus *last year* were already warning that "green" was history as a marketing plan and were moving on to the next fad. Apparently, not everyone has gotten the message yet.

There will still be those pathetic losers who cling to this fad for another few years, but increasingly, society will come to view them as the cultural equivalent of people who still listen to Dexy's Midnight Runners.

[wideminded]

I remind the other person about the heat wave of June-July 1980, when many cities, including New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Kansas City, and Detroit had record high temps. of 115-120 degrees.

According to weatherbase.com, the highest recorded temperature for June or July for all four cities: New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Detroit is 104 degrees.

For Kansas City the June-July record is 112 degrees.

[TLI]

The 1980 United States heat wave was among the most devastating natural disasters in terms of deaths and destruction in U.S. history. The heat wave claimed at least 1,700 lives[1]. Also because of the massive drought, agricultural damage estimates neared US$44 billion (1998 dollars). It is among the billion-dollar weather disasters listed by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

In Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas, high temperatures exceeded 100°F a total of 69 times, including a record 42 consecutive days from June 23 to August 3. Dallas/Fort Worth reached an all-time high on June 26 and 27, soaring to 113°F (45°C) on both days. In the northern hemisphere summer of 1980 in Dallas/Fort Worth, there were 29 days that either tied or broke records for those respective dates. Wichita Falls, Texas would hit 117°F (48°C), the highest temperature ever recorded in that city to date.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_United_States_heat_wave

[Signalman]

The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."

So what was once "incontrovertible" is now subject to debate and questioning. The libs aren't going to like this one bit.

[READINABLUESTATE]

ping

[mjp]

the Hadley Centre, as part of the British Meteorological Office and one of the world’s foremost climate-monitoring sites, is also churning out data showing that the planet isn’t warming at the moment, and hasn’t for the past 10 years or so. Clearly, increasing human carbon emissions aren’t causing the warming that was expected.

[TheCipher]

Science, after all, isn’t about consensus ... science isn’t democratic. Its about proof. Its about finding holes in your OWN theory, testing and re-testing each and every flaw, and either verifying your hypothesis, or refining it to match with the data.

Or in NASA's case, refining the data to match the hypothesis

[PhilCollins]

You’re right. I was mistaken, in my first post, on this topic. I found a site which states:

“The 1980 United States heat wave was among the most devastating natural disasters in terms of deaths and destruction in U.S. history. The heat wave claimed at least 1,700 lives. Also, because of the massive drought, agricultural damage estimates neared $44 billion (1998 dollars). It is among the billion-dollar weather disasters listed by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

A strong high pressure ridge in the central and southern United States allowed temperatures to soar to 90°F (32°C) almost every day from June to September. The drought was also caused for this particular reason.

In Kansas City, Missouri, the high temperature went below 90 only twice and soared above the century mark (100°F, 38°C) for 17 days straight. In Memphis, Tennessee, the temperature reached an all-time high of 108°F (42°C) on July 13, 1980, part of a 15-day stretch of temperatures above 100°F that lasted from July 6-20, 1980.”

Do you remember an American heatwave, that was worse than the 1980 heatwave, since then?

[Kenny Bunk]

The Global warmers are ready for any argument.

EG. "We don't really know whether or not all Global Warming is anthropogenic. However, we have evidence that man is ACCELERATING the natural trend."

Logic cannot win against religion ...The religion of Mother Gaia.

[redangus]

I’m afraid you are right. My 9 y/o great nephew has been thoroughly indoctrinated by his public school. He lost a year of Math and reading literacy, but can quote chapter and verse the high tax, big government and global warming mantras of the Left. This is one of the reasons his mother is pulling him out of the public school and putting him in a small private religious school.

[EEDUDE]

"It is AMAZING how easily all of our best scientific bodies have been duped by global warming."

I don't think most of them actually have. But a few loudmouths like James Hansen at NASA can make it seem that way though.

As engineers, you and I are trained to look for cause and effect and try to understand the relationship between these.

I never fails to be amazed by the number of people that I would otherwise assume to be intelligent people than are simply unable to apply deductive reasoning to the simplest of problems.

A very simple fact should cause most people to question whether CO2 is a factor in global warming:

In all the ice core data that shows temperature change vs atmospheric CO2, CO2 increases lag temperature increases by hundreds of years.

Many people simply don't seem to be able to understand that this places rises of CO2 into the category of effect, rather than cause.

When people cannot use logic to correctly interpret even simple relationships like this, they are subject to being convinced by propaganda.

[SouthTexas]

You mean they are going to make Nascar drive hybrids now???

Oh the hugh-manatee!!!

[BuffaloJack]

> The only problem is, Americans are too ignorant or apathetic to care or even pay attention.

Noooooo.
The problem is that the socialists and others with a vested interest in man-made global warming will not give up on it and will continue to beat up the public and any distractors until the public accepts their fantasy with religious belief.

[hosepipe]

[ The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible." ]

SOOoo NOW its controvertible?..
Is it incontrovertible or controvertible?..
10,000 physicists belong to this group. you say...

Must depend on the week what they believe..
What day is it today?...

Have they come out endorsing Kingfish(Obama) running for President yet?.. How many members of this group belong to the Mystic Knights of the Sea?..

[r-q-tek86]

In Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas, high temperatures exceeded 100°F a total of 69 times, including a record 42 consecutive days from June 23 to August 3. Dallas/Fort Worth reached an all-time high on June 26 and 27, soaring to 113°F (45°C) on both days

I was working on a roofing crew that summer... in Fort Worth

[TLI]

I was working on a roofing crew that summer... in Fort Worth

OUCH!

[r-q-tek86]

the Hadley Centre, as part of the British Meteorological Office and one of the world’s foremost climate-monitoring sites, is also churning out data showing that the planet isn’t warming at the moment, and hasn’t for the past 10 years or so. Clearly, increasing human carbon emissions aren’t causing the warming that was expected.

mjp... have you posted this as its own thread? Great link.

xcamel... I think you would like mjp's link

[hadit2here]

I never fails to be amazed by the number of people that I would otherwise assume to be intelligent people than are simply unable to apply deductive reasoning to the simplest of problems.

For over half a century of my life, I had always thought that everyone else had the same intelligence, logic and reasoning capability that I did. Naturally, I knew there were some gross retards, but I went through life believing that everyone else was the same as me-- or at least that I was no different/better than anyone else.

Then one night I was watching a comedy show on teevee. It was Gallagher, the comedian, who I have found to be a pretty astute observer of mankind and its foibles. At one point in the show, he pointed out something that has enlightened my life immensely. He said:

"Remember, intelligence is distributed on the bell curve. At any point in time, 50% of the people walking past you are morons."

I had minored in Psych in college, so I was very familiar with bell curve distributions, means, medians, standard deviations, etc. But what he pointed out was an epiphany to me.

And he is correct. 50% of the population is sub-100 IQ, below average, sub-par, i.e., morons. And they are propagating their sub-par progeny at a greater rate than those above average.

And we are letting them vote and determine the fate of our country...

Maroons!

[Sgt Joe Friday 714]

And he is correct. 50% of the population is sub-100 IQ, below average, sub-par, i.e., morons.

Sub-par, yes, but not morons. A moron was traditionally a person with an IQ between 51 and 70. Less than 50% have IQs that low.