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What does the lifting of offshore drilling really mean?

Posted on 07/14/2008 9:21:29 PM PDT by Conservababe

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To: Paleo Conservative

It wasn’t that the RINOs differentiated themselves from the president. Until just now, the president did not meaningfully differentiate himself from the RINOs, or the Democrats for that matter, as was his responsibility. It seems to me that the White House was simply lazy on this issue over a long period and then got caught with its pants down.


41 posted on 07/14/2008 10:52:31 PM PDT by buck jarret
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To: llandres
IM - you probably won’t agree, but to be fair, there was always the huge “environmentalist” faction to deal with on this issue.

I do agree. Many (most?) self appointed environmentalists have gone beyond the advocacy of reasonable measures to protect our habitat and have become reactionaries - they oppose almost any action without making an evaluation based on facts and information.

Like all good liberals they FEEL rather than THINK.

Yet, I wish this president had shown the same kind of enthusiasm for pushing through a program to make us energy self sufficient with the same vigor and enthusiasm he has shown for opening our Mexican border to more cheap labor and for his "Path to citizenship" amnesty programs.

He didn't mind a good fight with his own conservative base on those issues but avoided a fight with enviro-whackos and democrats on energy policy.

42 posted on 07/14/2008 11:37:10 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: Jeff Head
With all due respect, Mr. Head......the McCain camp would not know what to do with any ammo.

He has been given on a silver platter flip flop after flip flop and nothing. They both spoke in from of La Raza and all I could hear was that ICE was taking babies awayfrom their mothers.....

The President says, let's drill and Pelosi says...no on my watch.....these idiots just don't know how to get down in the trenches and play last man standing.....

43 posted on 07/15/2008 3:54:43 AM PDT by elazarus
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To: VeniVidiVici

“Dimwits”?
Not so constructive when the country is in a nose dive, on fire and upside down. Read “Where Have All the Leaders Gone?” by Lee Iacocca and I think you might see things a bit differently :-).


44 posted on 07/15/2008 3:54:45 AM PDT by Sara Dorian (You don't wanna get mixed up with someone like me. I'm a loner, Dottie. A rebel. --Pee-wee Herman --)
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To: Iron Munro

There is not a politician out there that can see past the next election.


45 posted on 07/15/2008 4:35:16 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: panthermom

“There is not a politician out there that can see past the next election.”

Well, they ARE politicians, and some of their livelihoods are at stake this next election. Can’t take the politician out of the politician. However, However, public opinion is going to sway them this time, as the public is PO’d at the gridlock in Congress over our energy needs. And I believe it will redound to the Dems and stick. Obama will lose primarily over this issue, IMO, and now that McCain has “seen the light” on drilling, we Pubs finally actually have an opposing issue to jam down the Dems’ throats.


46 posted on 07/15/2008 5:27:49 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Hey Obama, to quote your Preacher man, your "chickens have come home to roost")
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To: elazarus
Just the same...my statement stands. Bush has put the ball in the dems court (who will do nothing with it) and given the GOP the ammo. Now they have to use it.

I believe on this issue, the oil issue, Mccain will use it. He himself has already come off of his own position and will certainly make an issue of the dems sticking to their no drill in the current circumstances.

One can hope he would at any rate and he certainly has the opportunity.

47 posted on 07/15/2008 5:46:49 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: flaglady47; Iron Munro; buck jarret
Well, they ARE politicians, and some of their livelihoods are at stake this next election. Can’t take the politician out of the politician. However, However, public opinion is going to sway them this time, as the public is PO’d at the gridlock in Congress over our energy needs. And I believe it will redound to the Dems and stick. Obama will lose primarily over this issue, IMO, and now that McCain has “seen the light” on drilling, we Pubs finally actually have an opposing issue to jam down the Dems’ throats

Exactly. Bush was brave to try to get some common sense energy proposals through, but the American people bought the lies of the uber green democrats and media. Now the green chickens have come home to roost with oil close to $150 a barrel and the American people want to have cheap energy again and it's the democrats who are the obstructionists.

48 posted on 07/15/2008 5:53:02 AM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: Paleo Conservative
“Republicans had a bare majority in the Senate, and RINO’s held the balance of power”

You make a very good point. You need a super majority, 60%, in the Senate to get anything done or passed in the Senate.Most bills need to get passed in the Senate if it is to become law. But Republicans only had a 51%(R) to 50%(D) bare majority. The liberal mainstream media called that Republicans "completely controlling" the Senate and Congress and the presidency. So then the media blamed every problem, most of them invented like global warming on the Republicans.

Many who call themselves conservatives then refuse to support Republicans saying that “Republicans had control of both houses and the Senate so they should have drilled for oil in ANWR , cut spending dramatically, built a fence on the border, privatized SSI etc." That is just sheer ignorance or purposeful demagoguery. Democrats used filibusters to block measures like drilling in ANWR, proving again that you need a 60% majority to do anything in the Senate.

Yes I do agree with these “conservative” bashers of the GOP that Bush could have done more but he is just one man. Blaming the whole GOP is not only unfair and incorrect but it helps the Democrats achieve a real super majority in Senate which they will used to turn the U.S.A into a socialist state. If you look at the actual votes on bills in the Congress 90% of Republicans voted the right way to expand drilling, to deny Amnesty to illegals, to cut taxes, to limit government, to strengthen the military, for freedom. And Democrats vote in the exact opposite numbers for Socialism and expanding government and crippling industry and for Amnesty. However 90% of 51 Republican Senators is not enough to get past Democrat filibusters. Most of the government school educated public don't understand the super majority requirement of the Senate and the liberal media spun this to demonize Republicans. MANY conservatives even on this site also use this tactic wittingly or unwittingly to bash the GOP as a whole , which only helps the Democrats/Marxists, and makes them "useful idiots" for communism as in Stalin's day.

U.S. Oil Shale Resources Are Three Times Larger Than the Current Oil Reserves in Saudi Arabia( I trillion barrels of oil). YET CONGRESS RECENTLY VOTED TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO DEVELOP U.S. OIL SHALE RESOURCES

Shell had to go to dangerous Middle East Country of Jordan to develop a much smaller by orders of magnitude amount of oil shale but Shell can't touch the trillion barrels of oil in our oil shale in our own back yard in Colorado,proof:

49 posted on 07/15/2008 7:48:56 AM PDT by rurgan (socialism doesn't work. Government is the problem not the solution to our problems.)
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To: Iron Munro

Yet, I wish this president had shown the same kind of enthusiasm for pushing through a program to make us energy self sufficient with the same vigor”

actually, it’s interesting if you look at the facts which NEVER get talked about - GW’s administration has spent far more money on alternative energy sources development than any other administration yet!!! I remember him talking about it in some speeches over the years, but things like this always go under the radar, especially with the mean image he’s given by MSM and the Left. He’s made huge commitments to this issue for years now, with progress to show for it. He wanted to do even more things but always had congress to contend with (even a republican one), because oil/gas wasn’t at a “crisis” level in legislators’ minds and the public’s eyes until now.


50 posted on 07/16/2008 8:45:12 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: justlurking

I read elsewhere that the law will expire 10/1/2008, and must be renewed. Can anyone confirm or refute this?

I believe the ban is scheduled to expire in August. Or did I just dream that? I know it’s VERY soon this year.


51 posted on 07/16/2008 8:47:56 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: lesser_satan

If I understand correctly, the congressional ban expires on October 8th, so it will require a vote to keep it in place if they don’t do something sooner.

Thanks for the correction, then. When I said August, must be because I still have FISA on the brain, going back to last year, when all the congressional debates began getting hot and heavy :-)))))))))))))))


52 posted on 07/16/2008 8:52:21 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: DB

It means the issue lands on congress to drill. The executive branch is out of the way.

Yes, exactly. And on this, much like FISA and Columbia Free Trade Agreement, it’s absolutely disgusting to see how the loudmouth libs in congress are putting politics and hatred of GW ahead of the good of the American people and what they need. A travesty.


53 posted on 07/16/2008 8:59:32 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: VeniVidiVici

With gas at $2gal and under for 6 of the past 8 years, any approval for offshore drilling by the President would have been met with stiff resistance from both parties and the residents of most coastal states.”

That’s a fact, that no one can deny. Heck, there’s still stiff resistance NOW - by the left, both elected and un-elected, to overcome.


54 posted on 07/16/2008 9:07:48 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: buck jarret

Actually it has not been a big issue until recently. The enviros in the media and the Democrat party have brain washed the American public into believing this global warming B.S. which is nothing but a way to stop all domestic drilling. Only recently did the American public start changing their minds until they got a good dose of $4 gas. $4 gas will even change the mind of a global warming soccer mom .


55 posted on 07/16/2008 9:14:19 PM PDT by kempo
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To: Conservababe
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56 posted on 07/16/2008 9:16:01 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Now it can become an economic wedge issue to be used against the DemocRATS.”

It can become the key pivot of JSM’s campaign quite effectively, IF he’ll seize it.


57 posted on 07/16/2008 9:22:53 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: kempo

What I meant is that it was an issue in actuality, which was hardly impossible for a thinking person to see, and not in the media at the time. But a president’s actions shouldn’t be dictated by his codependent relationship with media outlets. The White House should stay ahead of the game. In this case, it was way behind. Pres. Bush seems to have cared only about not making waves in the many passing news cycles.


58 posted on 07/16/2008 9:23:30 PM PDT by buck jarret
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To: television is just wrong

means he’s tossing the responsiblity in Congress’ lap.”

He’s not “tossing the responsibility” - it’s the process of this country since it began - Congress now has the power. GW did what he could, now they have the control.


59 posted on 07/16/2008 9:28:23 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: buck jarret

It seems to me that the White House was simply lazy on this issue over a long period and then got caught with its pants down.”

as I said earlier, most people don’t know that GW’s administration has spent more on alternative energy sources than any other. And he did propose things in this area that never had a prayer in congress/senate in the past (still the case with some important things he’s proposed over the last several months). Few people realize how much true power the legislative branch has, for good or for evil - over the president.


60 posted on 07/16/2008 9:34:30 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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