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Success in Iraq (War over. We won. Iraqis Won.)
Michael Yon Online ^ | 7/14/2008 | Michael Yon

Posted on 07/14/2008 5:33:21 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush

14 July 2008

The war continues to abate in Iraq. Violence is still present, but, of course, Iraq was a relatively violent place long before Coalition forces moved in. I would go so far as to say that barring any major and unexpected developments (like an Israeli air strike on Iran and the retaliations that would follow), a fair-minded person could say with reasonable certainty that the war has ended. A new and better nation is growing legs. What's left is messy politics that likely will be punctuated by low-level violence and the occasional spectacular attack. Yet, the will of the Iraqi people has changed, and the Iraqi military has dramatically improved, so those spectacular attacks are diminishing along with the regular violence. Now it's time to rebuild the country, and create a pluralistic, stable and peaceful Iraq. That will be long, hard work. But by my estimation, the Iraq War is over. We won. Which means the Iraqi people won.

I wish I could say the same for Afghanistan. But that war we clearly are losing: I am preparing to go there and see the situation for myself. My friends and contacts who have a good understanding of Afghanistan are, to a man, pessimistic about the current situation. Interestingly, however, every one of them believes that Afghanistan can be turned into a success. They all say we need to change our approach, but in the long-term Afghanistan can stand on its own. The sources range from four-stars to civilians from the United States, Great Britain and other places. A couple years ago, some of these sources believed that defeat was imminent in Iraq. They were nearly right about Iraq, although some of them knew far less about Iraq than they do about Afghanistan. But it's clear that hard days are ahead in Afghanistan. We just lost nine of our soldiers in a single firefight, where the enemy entered a base and nearly overran it.

The news from Afghanistan is reason for pessimism. For some more optimistic news, please look at these statistics from Iraq, and remember that if we could turn things around in that country, we might be able to do the same in Afghanistan.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; aqi; iraq; iraqsurge; iraqvictory; jam; oif; sadr; toast; victory; yon
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To: DevSix
I think you nailed it there. For Yon to say we're losing in Afghanistan and then in the next sentence to say that he hasn't been there but he's going, is clearly to succumb to the very same disease he has rightfully criticized in the U.S. media.

Actually in most of that country we've done well. The challenge is in those areas closest to the sanctuaries over the Pakistan border. What the Taliban and their erstwhile guests al-Qaeda have there is the sine qua non of modern terrorism - a base that is protected by the "inviolability" (at least ostensibly in one direction) of the borders of a sovereign nation that cannot or will not keep its own territory from becoming a staging area for covert warfare.

That needs to change or there is nothing lasting that we can accomplish in a neighbor laid open to attack. The difficulty is that it is a formidable military challenge to be addressed by an upcoming administration that may well lack the experience, ability, and determination to carry the fight to the enemy, and who will have precious little in the way of allied assets capable of exerting themselves in that arena. Highest regard to the Brits, Poles, Canucks, and all of our other NATO partners, but that's the cold truth - this showdown will take place on the territory of a putative ally with nuclear arms who does not wish it to, and who will have the diplomatic backing of Russia and China, whose own foreign policies hope to achieve a cheap victory in an American defeat.

Frankly I am not optimistic. I don't think what needs to be done in the northeast of Pakistan will be, and if it is not, in a worst-case scenario, we could have the quagmire the Democrats have been praying for under a Democratic administration who will happily cede the field to the enemy in the midst of pious proclamations that it is, after all, the side of peace. And peace is the very last thing that will result.

21 posted on 07/14/2008 7:44:35 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Tennessean4Bush

The war in Iraq is won. Trashcanistan needs a surge of Marines.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


22 posted on 07/14/2008 8:16:46 PM PDT by bray (Drill Congress!!)
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To: Holicheese

And no doubt, your buddy will get his wish soon enough and to your friend say a big THANK YOU and shoot straight :)


23 posted on 07/14/2008 8:44:53 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: counterpunch

Every time I see this graphic, it brings a smile to my lips.


24 posted on 07/14/2008 8:54:26 PM PDT by karnage
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To: Billthedrill

I just finished Mister Yon’s new book a few weeks ago. If there isn’t a pulitzer prize in his future then there is no justice in the world.

That things are getting more difficult in Afghanistan is true... and also very interesting from a global strategy point of view. The enemy is moving to a new battleground, and just were we’d like them to be, IMHO. Sun Tsu would be proud of Gen. Petraeus. I think things on the ground there are about to change, vis-a-vis the change in Iraq. Mister Yon’s dispatches from Afghanistan, should he be willing to keep up the tempo, will be required reading.

Thanks, Mike. Your stuff is the best there is.


25 posted on 07/14/2008 9:40:05 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: iThinkBig

He is so close to retirement I don’t think he will get deployed again.
I think, however, if they asked him, he would go.


26 posted on 07/15/2008 6:57:20 AM PDT by Holicheese (Hillary deserves the CMoH for her time in Tuzla!)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
You called it long before Yon, and long before virtually anyone else on this board.

I called it on here starting in 2004 - many times. Caught snotty derision from a lot of people for it, but I never wavered.

27 posted on 07/15/2008 7:06:27 AM PDT by Allegra (If you lived here, you'd be home by now.)
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To: Holicheese

Well I wish him well then and thank him endlessly for serving. I am waging my own little war called media and data :) I took the ASVAB and almost became a Marine when I was 20. Now I will serve America in other ways as best as I can.


28 posted on 07/15/2008 11:16:19 AM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: Allegra

We would had lost the war if Al-Qaeda never went after the Sunni community.


29 posted on 07/15/2008 11:34:46 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
We would had lost the war if Al-Qaeda never went after the Sunni community.

Actually, the Sunnis went after al Qaeda. And the persistence, patience and hard work of our troops were key in bringing that about.

30 posted on 07/15/2008 11:47:33 AM PDT by Allegra (If you lived here, you'd be home by now.)
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To: counterpunch
Why are you spamming threads with this image?

It would be appreciated if you would, at least, keep it to threads regarding John McCain specifically.

31 posted on 07/15/2008 11:52:37 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Allegra; jveritas
I called it on here starting in 2004 - many times. Caught snotty derision from a lot of people for it, but I never wavered.

Yes, that's why you and jveritas are two of the posters I have bookmarked. I care about your opinion.

Are you in Baghdad?

32 posted on 07/15/2008 6:01:38 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Click on Allegra’s profile.


33 posted on 07/15/2008 6:38:20 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Click on Allegra’s profile.

Thanks, but I wasn't wondering whether she has been there over the past few years including this year. And I know she plans to be there for the duration. What I was asking was whether or not she made it back in one piece because her flight back from her month-long or so vacation here was due to arrive in Baghdad any day now.

34 posted on 07/15/2008 6:53:40 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Are you in Baghdad?

Yep. Arrived back on Friday. I'm in the Green Zone this time around.

It's been very quiet. :-)

35 posted on 07/15/2008 11:24:17 PM PDT by Allegra (If you lived here, you'd be home by now.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Oh, sorry.


36 posted on 07/16/2008 4:44:20 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Allegra
It's been very quiet.

I imagine everyone is more optimistic now. I had read where Maliki is really popular now that it is perceived he has done something about the extremists on both sides.

37 posted on 07/16/2008 5:43:12 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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