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Governments in Wisconsin, Amish clash over religious freedom
JSOnline ^ | July 13, 2008 | Meg Jones

Posted on 07/14/2008 5:38:32 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

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1 posted on 07/14/2008 5:38:33 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Unlike where I hunt in Texas, I would imagine Wisconsin has fairly flat terrain. I think I'd were the orange vest.
2 posted on 07/14/2008 5:43:00 AM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
If they had been Islamic there would not have been any trial.
3 posted on 07/14/2008 5:45:44 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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4 posted on 07/14/2008 5:47:21 AM PDT by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
“In March, Daniel Borntreger, an Amish farmer who lives in the nearby Town of Franklin, was fined $10,600 for failing to get a permit before adding on to a building”

And what does the Constitution say about what you can do with your private land? The Constitution is gone and the SS are out is full force.

5 posted on 07/14/2008 5:48:42 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Hmm. We have a large Amish presence where I live. They all wear the blaze orange and have the triangular sign on the back of their carriages.


6 posted on 07/14/2008 5:51:36 AM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Couple of things about the Amish and the Midwest. Iowa and Wisconsin have not exactly been "friendly" to them over the years. Their alternative has been to relocate to Indiana from those states as well as from Pennsylvania.

Problem with Indiana is that the land is much higher priced and they prefer to not pay that much for a simple family farm. Plus the incidence of tornadoes is much higher (per acre).

Still, the Mennonites have been settled in much of North central Indiana for a century and a half and have had a chance to influence the law to make the state tolerable for the Amish.

This gives them a choice ~ buy cheap and put up with Hochdutsche harassment in Wisconsin and the rest of the Upper Midwest, or pay more and be officially tolerated in Indiana.

No doubt it's a really tough choice for them ~ their money or their comfort ~ the Mark of the Beast is surely flashing before their eyes!

7 posted on 07/14/2008 5:52:00 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
This is kinda tough for me, because the Amish seem to live a life that bothers no one. A crew of Amish carpenters framed my house and they are friendly, hard-working people.

The problem is that, once you make one exception, it become difficult to say no to the next person who seeks an exception. If I replace the word Amish with Muslim in the story, the story takes on new meaning for me. It's like the Muslim woman in FL who wanted special dispensation to have her picture taken with her veil in place for her driver's license. It would seem that the law of the land should prevail and special exceptions should be avoided.

8 posted on 07/14/2008 5:52:53 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: wolfcreek
Wisconsin has a lot of flatness and it has some hills. What it has a lot of us is "background" that blends in with dark clothing.

I think I'd wear dayglo orange supplementd with flashing lights, and a good body armor vest.

9 posted on 07/14/2008 5:54:21 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: econjack

Indiana has been equally soft on Moslems, so, yeah, they have some ~ at the same time I think themore “militant” Moslems would be happier isolated on reservations in Northern Wisconsin ~ lots of empty space up there and cold as blazes in Winter. Tone them down you know.


10 posted on 07/14/2008 5:57:19 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: ktscarlett66

Regardless, where is call for religious freedom? If these were muslims would they be fined? Where is a the ACLU?


11 posted on 07/14/2008 6:00:57 AM PDT by Havok (MOLON LABE!!!!)
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To: econjack
The airplanes that destroyed the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon were not piloted by Amish guys from Pennsylvania, Ohio, or Indiana. Militant Islam is the sworn enemy of this country; the Amish are not.

Disparity of treatment happens all the time. Unless the powers that be want to make an example of a celebrity, as happened with Martha Stewart, or their antics have made them unpopular, as in the cases of Paris Hilton or Leona Helmsley, there is a double standard and they walk away from legal scrapes with little or no jail time. The same applies to politicians, especially if they are members of minority groups, e.g., Congressman William Jefferson of Louisiana.

The most important issue is not equal treatment under the law, but rather the limitation of government power so that the law interferes with property rights less frequently.

12 posted on 07/14/2008 6:10:20 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
“We’ve had a lot of Amish that have registered their premises, and we have a lot who are resistant to it. My understanding is that they’re not opposed to premise registration,” McGraw said, “but they’ve drawing their toe in the sand because it could lead to individual animal registration, which to them is the ‘mark of the beast.’ ”

My grandmother told me that a lot of people refused to get social security cards because they thought it was the 'mark of the beast' from Revelations. I wonder how the Amish stood on that issue. This article seems to imply that the Amish interpreted the Bible passage to mean that you couldn't 'mark' your 'beasts', like cows.

13 posted on 07/14/2008 6:12:33 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: muawiyah
Missouri is friendly to the Amish. There is very old community near me and the worst thing I've seen is the kids get tickets for 'minor in possession'. Truth be told...when I was young I used to party with them :D

They have a pretty good business going over there. The entire town is a tourist trap with buses coming daily to gawk at them and buy high priced goods. You can check out the town here.

14 posted on 07/14/2008 6:14:14 AM PDT by buschbaby
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To: ktscarlett66

many of those in WI are what are known as old order Amish...much more strict in their religious views...


15 posted on 07/14/2008 6:14:35 AM PDT by stefanbatory
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After pseudorabies was discovered last year on two Clark County swine farms — one Amish and one non-Amish — state health inspectors had to contact every farm within a five-mile radius. But since only half of those farms had registered with the state, it took inspectors two days to drive up every road in the outbreak area and alert farmers, something that had could have done much quicker by phone if they all had been registered under the state law, assistant state veterinarian Paul McGraw said.

They were going to have to drive to every Amish farm anyway because they don't have phones, typically. More evidence of a lack of awareness of what it means to be Amish and live a certain kind of simple life. Guess the WI Ag Dept. will have to write a codicil in the regs to require phones along with the registration.

16 posted on 07/14/2008 6:25:03 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Wallace T.
The most important issue is not equal treatment under the law...

I disagree, and really, so do you. You mentioned exceptions of TV celebrities and one Congressman (one of the few who wasn't smart enough not to get caught) via unequal application of the law...exactly what I said should not be done. Such exceptions are what jaundice the rest of us towards the application of the law.

It would seem to me that equal and consistent application of the law would actually reinforce your desire for the protection of private property rights. They are not mutually exclusive goals. As to Mr. Jefferson, I don't think he's dodged the bullet yet.

17 posted on 07/14/2008 6:26:21 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: jws3sticks

LOL! If those guys are hunting deer, they’re aiming waaaaaaaay too high! :)


18 posted on 07/14/2008 6:47:53 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: stefanbatory

I wondered if that was the difference.


19 posted on 07/14/2008 7:03:20 AM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: econjack

I think the problem isn’t so much the unequal application of the law, but that there are too many damned laws on the books in the first place.

Good God, there isn’t ANY aspect of our lives now that isn’t subject to some dim-witted “code” someplace, and THAT fosters contempt for even the appropriate laws every society does need.

What I wouldn’t give for them to just leave us the hell alone...

Regards,


20 posted on 07/14/2008 7:06:56 AM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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