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1 posted on 07/09/2008 1:05:05 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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"there was nothing to fear in the bill “unless you have Al Qaeda on your speed dial.”"

Unfortunately, when speaking of leftists this is not a stretch at all.....
2 posted on 07/09/2008 1:07:15 PM PDT by Enchante (OBAMA: "That's not the Wesley Clark I knew!")
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I bet Obama did not even bother to vote.


3 posted on 07/09/2008 1:07:55 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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I don’t trust the government. While I certainly have nothing to hide, it’s a slippery slope. We can only hope that the precident doesn’t allow some future president to justify more overt spying techniques.


4 posted on 07/09/2008 1:09:03 PM PDT by djsherin
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>>>>>>the phone companies that took part in the wiretapping program.

Pointless to correct this again, but it wasn’t a “wiretapping” program, it was a trap-and-trace and pen-register program.

There’s a huge world of technical and legal difference among those terms.


5 posted on 07/09/2008 1:10:12 PM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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"The plan, approved by a vote of 69 to 28, marked one of Mr. Bush’s most hard-won legislative victories in a Democratic-led Congress where he has had little success of late."

LOL! Bush just got the war funded... AGAIN!

8 posted on 07/09/2008 1:10:41 PM PDT by avacado
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The DUmmies and KOSnuts heads’ must be exploding this afternoon!


12 posted on 07/09/2008 1:13:50 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: shrinkermd; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...
...broadening the government’s spy powers and providing legal immunity for the phone companies...

Libertarian ping! To be added or removed freepmail me or post a message here.

14 posted on 07/09/2008 1:16:40 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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Obama: This is not the FISA I know... so I vote for it.


18 posted on 07/09/2008 1:20:05 PM PDT by paudio (Like it or not, 'conservatism' is a word with many meanings. Yours may be different from mine.)
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in a Democratic-led Congress where he has had little success of late.

Obviously, they haven't been paying attention. The Republicans/Bush have been kicking their butts all over the place.

20 posted on 07/09/2008 1:20:30 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (LIBERALS SHOULD BE EUTHANIZED FOR THE "COMMON GOOD.")
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Here's the list of Democrats voting for the bill:

Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)

and 'Independent Democrat' Lieberman (ID-CT)

21 posted on 07/09/2008 1:20:51 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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I looked over at DU and they are vowing to stop Obama donations and redirect them to the ACLU.

The kids are having a fit.

22 posted on 07/09/2008 1:22:24 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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LOL. Omamba rapidly running right.

Soon he will placing himself right of McCain, advocating a flag burning amendment and saying David Duke is a friend of his.

25 posted on 07/09/2008 1:27:39 PM PDT by what's up
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Barack Hussein Obama thinks he will be Mr President Obama in January. If you were a power-hungry stealth-communist on the cusp of assuming the highest office in the nation, with grand visions for remaking America, which way would you vote?


26 posted on 07/09/2008 1:30:33 PM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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Something to think about: Why did Hillary vote no?

Put aside what she thinks about the merits of the bill, and put aside her liberal ideology for a minute. The vote won't make a difference in terms of her next Senate run, and will be long forgotten by 2012. By voting yes instead of no today, she would have decreased the left-wing heat on Obama (not much, but a little). Instead, she opted to draw a contrast between him and her with the vote. It's almost as if she's still in the running to be the Dem's nominee this year.

27 posted on 07/09/2008 1:37:44 PM PDT by Califelephant
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“I urge my colleagues to stand up for the rule of law and defeat this bill,” Senator Russell D. Feingold, Democrat of Wisconsin, said in closing arguments.

Why would Feingold be worried about the rule of law? McCain-Feingold violates the 1st Amendment and he doesn’t seem concerned about that at all.


29 posted on 07/09/2008 1:54:09 PM PDT by pleikumud
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How did McCain vote?


30 posted on 07/09/2008 1:55:22 PM PDT by Taking Congress back in 2010
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Obama promised to filibuster it but now has just thrown all his “civil liberties” base under the bus.
34 posted on 07/09/2008 2:02:32 PM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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Welcome to 1984. It’s telling that not a single Republican senator voted against this.


36 posted on 07/09/2008 2:06:31 PM PDT by PastorTony
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I just got off the phone with Obama. He thanks you all for the cool new powers he gets to use starting next year. The Constitution was just a stupid piece of paper anyway.


51 posted on 07/09/2008 2:34:55 PM PDT by In_25_words_or_less (It's more a guideline than a rule.)
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I thought this bill was about "pen register" and "trap and trace records".

In my limited understanding a pen register is an electronic device which records all numbers dialed from a particular phone line. While a trap and trace device records the originating phone numbers of all incoming calls on a particular phone line.

Seemingly, "wire tap" is not what this bill is about or they are now calling pen register devices and trap and trace devices as wiretaps.

Much of the discussion on this seems to be highly emotional and based on an insufficient understanding of what the Bill actually did.

53 posted on 07/09/2008 2:53:57 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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