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Room Service Order-Taker for Ritz-Carlton (Perverted things the rich order)
The Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 7/7/08 | Shamus Toomey

Posted on 07/07/2008 5:50:59 PM PDT by prolifefirst

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To: 444Flyer

Stay at The Broadmoor sometime. Man, oh, man, that is incredible. I have never stayed at a better place and the Ritz is over the top which tells you something.


61 posted on 07/07/2008 8:16:17 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: meadsjn
"You've boasted several times of your anti-American sentiments and actions. Your treason may pay well; that doesn't make it conservative."

TREASON?
Please tell me how serving our country for six years and becoming a disabled veteran in the process is treasonous? Recruiting candidates for industry is treasonous? Are you drunk, high or mentaly ill? WTF?

62 posted on 07/07/2008 8:16:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only the Marxist Obama can!)
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To: devolve

Pretty ‘brassy’ to blow your own horn! Lol.


63 posted on 07/07/2008 8:18:03 PM PDT by potlatch (MICHELLE OBAMA - The gift that just keeps on giving....!)
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To: meadsjn

How does making a good living equate to treason? That is conservatism at its heart: work hard, do well.


64 posted on 07/07/2008 8:20:19 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: TomServo

That accounts for the jar of pickles that’s just out of the frame.


65 posted on 07/07/2008 8:21:47 PM PDT by Erasmus (I invited Benoit Mandelbrot to the Shoreline Grill, but he never quite made it.)
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To: wireplay

Your posted response about people with money not being chastised how they spend it is well received. Of course the money is theirs and they and only they have the right to dispose of it as they see fit.
However the following two sentences you added are way, way over the top.

“What is killing the conservative cause is the evangelicals brought in by Reagan. Flame on FR! This is a prime example of what I mean.

Evangelicals care more for shoving their religion down the throats of the heathens than adhering to limited government or the Constitution.”

By making these two statements you have shined the light on yourself as one who has a tremendous hatred for “Evangelicals”. This hatred can do you no good, my FReeper friend.


66 posted on 07/07/2008 9:21:21 PM PDT by Islander2
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To: Islander2

I actually love evangelicals and live in the heart of them.

I am not out to besmirch a lot of great people but to say we need to remove the evangelical issues from our platform: they do nothing but hurt a basic, common cause: limited government. We need limited government. That means dropping stuff like abortion, WOD, gay rights, prayer in schools, etc. from our platform.

Limited government means don’t tread on me and the evangelical planks hurt us all. I love the people but I don’t want their planks in the overall platform. We should stand for individual rights. I don’t agree with a lot of crap but it is the States to decide (per the 10th Amendment).


67 posted on 07/07/2008 9:29:51 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: Enchante
I'd prefer to spread the $95 per ounce caviar on my body for Charlize Theron to lick off, but I never seem to get that opportunity to use caviar in that way...

Of course not! She prefers chocolate sauce when we...er...nevermind...

68 posted on 07/07/2008 9:38:38 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: wireplay
"What is killing the conservative cause is the evangelicals brought in by Reagan. Flame on FR!"

No flame here, but I do disagree respectfully. I well remember the mid-late 70s when it seemed like liberal socialism was permanently ascendant and the way of the future (Jimmy Peanut helped to weaken that trend but it still needed a Ronald Reagan and a Margaret Thatcher to show another path). IMHO, In order to stop or at least slow that trend, Ronald Reagan masterminded and led a grand coalition of 3 sometimes overlapping but sometimes very divergent views as a strong conservative coalition: 'economic' conservatives (some libertarian but many more 'mixed' in outlook); 'security' conservatives most focused upon US national security and winning the Cold War or at least surviving it; and 'social' or 'cultural' conservatives including both "Reagan Democrats" and lots of other more religious conservatives, many who were/are evangelicals, who most emphasize conservative values in terms of traditional morality.

I tend to focus mainly upon the first and 2nd and don't concern myself a whole lot of the time with the 3rd except that I do respect a lot of traditional values (not all) and don't want to live in a society dominated (any more than it already is) by the values of the cultural left. I'm not an evangelical but I do appreciate that (while there may be excesses) they are a social movement that helps to keep a lot more decency in society than we would otherwise see.

I suppose there's always a fair amount of tension between the more libertarian and the more religious/conservative parts of the "conservative" coalition, but we'll all be up a creek with no paddle if we cannot find enough common ground - the left is relentless, vicious, and determined. I did mock this thread up near the top because I too do not consider it anyone's business if someone likes to feed caviar to their cat, can afford to do so legally and honestly (i.e., is not a crook or a cheat). It's none of my business what they do with $95 caviar they can afford, or what you do with $1,000 for a dinner that you can afford.... and, as you note, money expended benefits many people in different ways (amazing how many economic illiterates still exist all around us).

So I think I agree with you on a lot but I don't think evangelicals are some threat to conservative issues overall and in fact I don't think there's any prospect for a renewed conservative majority without strong evangelical support.
69 posted on 07/07/2008 9:50:21 PM PDT by Enchante (OBAMA: "That's not the Wesley Clark I knew!")
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To: Islander2

I wanted to add....

Where does the Constitution say anything about drugs?

Where does the Constitution say anything about abortion?

Where does the Constitution say anything about gay marriage?

Where does the Constitution say anything about pornography?

Where does the Constitution say anything about helmet laws?

Where does the Constitution say anything about seat belts?

Where does the Constitution say anything about gambling?

It doesn’t. What it does say is that the states reserve all rights. The over-reaching rights of the feds run both ways. The Libs want our taxes and a nanny-state and the evangelicals want to use the government to make us live according to Christian theology: both are wrong.

I support Christian theology but don’t force it upon people. We have a basic law for a reason and yet it abandoned by liberals and conservatives.


70 posted on 07/07/2008 9:52:50 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: tickmeister
That is known as the "rich man's rationalization".

I guess you are free to carry it around in your head if it makes you feel good.

71 posted on 07/07/2008 9:58:29 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: Enchante

I appreciate the support. The $1000 dinner was for 4 and it was the best dinner the family ever had. Worth every penny, btw.

The appeal toward the evangelicals pulled the party away from what they should have been. It may have been needed to win an election, I understand that, but it watered down an essential message which is limited government according to a basic Constitution.

I am a relic: I actually read and appreciate the Constition. Simple stuff. A few Articles, less than 30 Amendments. Not hard to read. Not hard to sell, but the Republicans can’t seem to understand that we can sell to liberals (no Patriot Act), sell to evangelicals (no Roe v Wade), sell to gays (no right to ban gay marriage), sell to economists (limited taxation), sell to lots of people.

Recognize that expanding the government to allow for the WOD and anti-gay rights also means allowing them in elsewhere.

I’m done.


72 posted on 07/07/2008 10:05:31 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: wireplay

I certainly agree that we should all emphasize limited govt., sound constitutionalism, and sound economic policies above all (well I would also emphasize a high level of national defense, however best defined, not sure how you would address that). A lot of the “social” and “cultural” issues I would not emphasize as much all the time although I do think it is well justified to try to roll back the excesses of liberal mis-readings of the Constitution and especially the 1st and 14th Amendments, which have been expanded far beyond any ‘originalist’ understanding of their meanings. ALso, of course the 10th Amendment needs to be strongly revived since it has been just about forgotten.


73 posted on 07/07/2008 10:13:20 PM PDT by Enchante (OBAMA: "That's not the Wesley Clark I knew!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t divulge any info about yourself again!

You are being drawn into a trap!


74 posted on 07/07/2008 10:17:43 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Arrogance IS my virtue!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Recruiting candidates for industry is treasonous?

The whole concept of brokered employment is anti-free market. You try very hard to convince yourself that you are a capitalist, but you know that you are not putting any capital at risk, other than for your telephone, which everyone has to have. You go to great lengths on your home page to show that you scored as a "conservative" on some internet quiz. Why would you need to try so hard to convince yourself that you are a conservative, unless you have some serious doubts about your true leanings?

Recruiters make their money by leeching half or more of the earnings of people who do productive work. You don't earn what you get. You get it by manipulating the market between those who provide services and those who purchase the services. That isn't "free market", and it isn't "capitalism". It's simply a manipulated market, with the blood-sucking recruiting firms cheating both the producers and the consumers.

And if you are part of one of the vast majority of those firms that discriminate against American citizens in favor of H1-B fraud, then you are anti-American and a traitor, regardless of your past service.

75 posted on 07/07/2008 10:20:55 PM PDT by meadsjn (Socialists promote neighbors selling out their neighbors; Free Traitors promote just the opposite.)
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To: meadsjn

Anotherwords, you know nothing about recruiting: 1.) If I was getting half of someone’s earnings I’d be the richest recruiter in the world, except that no business would pay me half of someone’s salary to recruit a candidate. The normal percentage is 15-25%, and that DOES NOT come out of the worker’s salary, it’s paid by the employer. 2.) If you feel that H1-B visas are fraudulent, I would suggest contacting your congressional representatives and asking that that program be done away with. I don’t recruit candidates from other countries, but I’d have no problem doing so if an employer asked me to, because it’s perfectly LEGAL. 3.) How am I “blood-sucking” a worker when I match him/her up with a lucrative position that pays more than their current job? 4.) How am I “blood-sucking” an employer when I find them good workers that can take their company to a higher level and produce greater profits? 5.) You do realize that all sales & marketing consists of “brokering” goods and services “by manipulating the market between those who provide services and those who purchase the services..” don’t you? Without salespeople like us, our economy would resemble that of North Korea, Cuba or Zimbabwe!

Who exactly am I cheating? The worker thrilled with the challenge of a new, higher-paying position or the employer glad to have a productive employee with skills that are useable by his company?

Your screed leads me to think that your candidate this year has the initials “Ron Paul” and that he’s got you worked up into a lather over the NWO, NAFTA, Black Helicopters, Flouride, H1-B’s and precious bodily fluids, etc.. Not that their’s anything wrong with that!


76 posted on 07/07/2008 10:44:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only the Marxist Obama can!)
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To: Randy Larsen
"Don’t divulge any info about yourself again!

You are being drawn into a trap!

He's trying, isn't he? I only divulge info here to people I've actually met, or have dealt with here for a loooong time and I don't want to know that gentleman. Telling him my occupation does him no good; there are probably a million recruiters in the United States at any given time, and he doesn't know my name, location, etc. Class envy has no place in the conservative movement, being that it's a socialist concept.

77 posted on 07/07/2008 10:50:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only the Marxist Obama can!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just remember what you are saying!

It WILL be used against you in the foolish court of useless opinions!


78 posted on 07/07/2008 10:56:38 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Arrogance IS my virtue!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t need to know about the Depression when I see people buying steak for their dogs using food stamps because they can’t buy dog food with them....


79 posted on 07/08/2008 2:01:39 AM PDT by Getsmart64
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To: Sicvee
"Since it has been over 40 years she had aged somewhat."

Here's a picture of Deloris Erickson, the cover model of the Alpert album, as she appears today.


80 posted on 07/08/2008 3:36:45 AM PDT by Mila
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