Posted on 07/06/2008 10:47:57 AM PDT by Aria
I had not caught up until today with this apparent controversy over whether the Hawaii birth certificate proffered by Obama's campaign is a forgery and whether there are legitimate questions about whether he was born in the United States — if he wasn't, he almost certainly would not be qualified under the Constitution and relevant immigration statutes to be president. Our Jim Geraghty seemed to pooh-pooh the birth certificate controversy about a week ago, but according to the above cited report (at a site called DougRoss@Journal) and a new one from Israeli Insider, there are new developments, and the Obama campaign appears to be stonewalling. Shouldn't it be a fairly easy matter to prove he was born in Hawaii if he really was? Why wouldn't Obama just end this quickly?
Is there anything to this?
ADDENDUM: I should add to the above that I am not a conspiracy theorist. My predisposition on the many stories floating around about Obama and his circle is to ignore them on the following theory: If there was really anything to this or that, the Clintons would have found it and gotten their media friends all over it. This story about Obama's eligibility puzzles me because (a) it is so basic, (b) it should be so easy to prove the relevant facts of his birth, (c) the Obama campaign's response to the story is bizarre, and (d) it seems to be getting worse rather than resolved.
07/06 12:09 PM
No more than I assume about the Republicans or conversatives. What were you doing all this time...or is walking down Constitution avenue and chewing gum at the same time beyond your capabilities?
I don’t give a s**t whether you believe me or not.
re: “... outright rage and huge cynicism that would be rife in this country for many years should Obama be disqualified on some technicality.”
(1) Some technicality? Uh, it’s Article II of the US Constitution, not some obscure administrative regulation. In other words, the description “some technicality” does not seem apt.
(2) Sure, there might be rage and cynicism if Obama was rightly disqualified. That pales to insignificance beside the rage and cynicism that would occur should Obama, or anyone else, be shown to be an illegitimate candidate, and to become, or remain, president anyway. Your not-so-subtle reference to race riots are laughable, when compared to the likelihood of civil war.
You write “You are probably the ones that have never been IN a race riot.” I’ve been in a riot, and it was pretty annoying, what with untrained hand to hand fighting around the edges, and small arms fire and the like. I’ve also been in the beginning stages of a civil war, when regular military forces clashed with each other, and martial law was imposed, and there were no communications, and heavy weapons moved to position, and military roadblocks were set up, and gunships flew overhead, and water and electricity was cut off, and hospitals were closed to enemies of the state (that last bit struck me particularly, probably because I am a doctor). As I write this, I am remembering watching a pickup truck heavily loaded with wounded and dead young people, all covered in blood and mud, with a screaming bloody maniac at the wheel, ramming its way past military guards into a hospital ER for treatment of the wounded, while a skyscraper burned in the background. Yeah, I’ve been in a riot, and I’ve been in worse, and, if forced to make a choice, I’ll choose the riot rather than the worse.
Where's the licensed mind reader who will back up your assertion?
Obama also thinks that repeating a lie makes it true, but it doesn't. If any candidate, of any background, in either party, were born under similar circumstances, this would be a legitimate question.
attempt to disqualify him on the most chicken-shit grounds imaginable
If you were right, this should be familiar to Obama, who used what some might call " c-s-" grounds to disqualify his black Democratic opponents in earlier races. Was he racist?
Similar in every way to the old voting laws used in segregated states a half century ago.
Not really. But it is similar to requiring that voters in presidential elections be citizens.
Excuse my error. I read further down the thread that you have no candidate.
Regardless- your accusations of racism are without merit.
I am NOT saying that if Obama faked the birth certificate that he should not be disqualified.
All I’m saying is that the repercussions of this tactic would be pretty destructive.
Simple reality-we would have to go through a period in this country all over again that we went through forty years ago.
I’m just plain too old for all that stress and strife anymore.
“I live in a county that went over 60% Bush. I have yet to see one McCain bumpersticker —and there are plenty for Obama.”
Ohio here....
See No bumper stickers for ANYONE...........
Notta... None 0 000000
weird.....
On the accusation of racism, you could very well be right. I can't read minds and I certainly am aware that that accusation is thrown around far, far too often.
But in this case I believe it is justified. On another forum I read a black man's response to my claim that racism was racism whether it occurred in the south or north, whether it was directed at blacks or whites, and that everyone was racist to some extent.
He, who had lived in both south and north, said no. It was not true that racism was the same everywhere - neither in frequency nor intensity. That it was much more frequent and virulent in the south.
The connection between that and my post is not direct...and I would have to struggle to explain it in detail...but it is there and I feel strongly enough about it to express it.
That's not completely correct; proof of citizenship is what you must provide. BC, or naturalization papers, a report of American birth overseas, and so forth. For the latter, the only birth overseas that qualifies as “natural-born” is to children born to American citizens in US territories, protectorates or on US military installations, embassies etc.
“That’s a good one. Upholding the constitution will tear the country apart.”
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Well, I don’t know, the Supreme Court just upheld the second amendment and it has some people acting as if their livers have been ripped out 80)
LOL! You’re a liberal ... you live your life being played for a fool. Happy race-baiting to you.
Also in SE Ohio and I haven’t seen a yard sign nor a bumper sticker yet? It is weird!
Bck to the birt certificte.... It is weird that his campaign hasn’t produced it yet. Does make you wnder what they are hiding? is it his father listed as muslim, is it he was born in Africa like his brother has said or or or??? It does make you wonder!
but 2/3 of Americans are brain dead.
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I used to rail against Clinton during his administration, now I just blame our brain dead voters, Obama is truly only the symptom, the disease is the leftist programming that has robbed so many of the ability to think. Just twenty years ago someone like Obama would have been nothing more than a one percent fringe candidate joke.
Riverman,
If this does in fact develop to be true, the American public would have EVERY RIGHT to be enraged and collectively disqualify this candidate from running for the POTUS!!
Only someone, who is blindly worshipping this person would attempt to characterize a complete breach of our Constitution as a “technicality”.
Imagine the complete chaos and anarchy that would exist in this country if anyone could simply subvert the constitution by rationalizing a criminal act as a “technicality” every time a public official breaks the law.
Wake UP.
It’s a technique:
Divert attention from the shocking truth by floating stories of shocking lies. Then, no one will believe the shocking truth.
Being a citizen is not enough. The constitution requires he be a “natural born citizen”.
I adopted three kids from other countries, who are all citizens. However, none can become President. I’m not sure whether being born of a citizen on foreign soil qualifies. It may; I’m just not sure.
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