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Panama says no to U.S. military base
reuteurs ^ | 7/4/08 | reuteurs

Posted on 07/04/2008 4:27:27 PM PDT by Flavius

PANAMA CITY (Reuters) - Panama has ruled out hosting a U.S. military base to replace one in Ecuador which is being reclaimed by the Quito government, a senior Panamanian official said on Friday.

Panama -- along with Peru and Colombia -- had been tipped as a possible site to replace the Manta air base in western Ecuador, a key strategic asset in Washington's campaign to stop Latin American cocaine from reaching the United States.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


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To: tbpiper

“Personally no, however laws reflect the general society(ideally). If your law condones an activity your conscience considers immoral, your society is schitzophenic (of which we can find many examples today).”


I believe it is a common error to think that because there is no law against something, it is therefore condoned. Nothing could be further from the truth.

In the United States, that which is not forbidden, is allowed.

In police States, that which is not allowed, is forbidden.


21 posted on 07/05/2008 12:17:17 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
From Meriiam-Webster Online

condone: to regard or treat (something bad or blameworthy) as acceptable, forgivable, or harmless...

In the United States, that which is not forbidden, is allowed.

In police States, that which is not allowed, is forbidden.

Too broad for this argument.

22 posted on 07/05/2008 2:59:40 PM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: villagerjoel
People are going to do it anyway

So we should tax prostitution rather than legally condem the activity because people are going to do it anyway? We should give birth control to minors because they're going to do it anyway?

"Because they're going to do it anyway" is not a good argument.

23 posted on 07/05/2008 3:08:47 PM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: tbpiper
This may come as a shock to you, but as a society, we need to take a moral stand. Pornogrophy is legal but very detrimental, drugs even more so. Will these things go away? No, but we do need to keep them at bay as much as possible.

Perhaps you should find somewhere else to live, if freedom bothers you so much. You could always join these guys.
24 posted on 07/05/2008 5:05:06 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: LonghornFreeper

Let me guess, you’re libertarian?


25 posted on 07/05/2008 5:10:42 PM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: tbpiper
So we should tax prostitution rather than legally condem the activity because people are going to do it anyway? We should give birth control to minors because they're going to do it anyway?

What a revealing statement. To someone like you, of course, prostitution and giving birth control to minors are similar issues. While the first involves the relationship of the government with adult, supposedly free citizens, and the second involves parents and their underage children, you consider the role of govnerment relative to the people to be roughly the same as the role of parents relative to their children. Classic nanny state, "Big Brother knows whats best for us" mentality. Thanks for getting it out in the open for us.

For the record, I do not think parents should give their children birth control, nor should the state. However, prostitution should be legal if all involved are adults. That doesn't mean I think it is morally right. Overeating to the point of being seriously obese isn't right, does that mean governments should make laws against it? What about not exercising often enough? Clearly it is morally right to take care of our bodies. Should there be mandatory daily exercise periods for everyone?
26 posted on 07/05/2008 5:14:34 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: LonghornFreeper

I don’t vote Libertarian, no, in fact I’ve always voted Republican. I am pro-life, and I have no problem with the US defending its interests in the world (such as in Iraq). However, I am on the libertarian side of the Republican party.


27 posted on 07/05/2008 5:17:11 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: tbpiper
I think we ought to give in and allow every thing that destroys peoples' souls; drugs, prostitution, pornography, whatever vice.

How about securing the borders and beefing up the Coast Guard? Cocaine isn't grown here in the U.S. Just seal the borders and the drug war will disappear on its own. We all know that ain't going to happen because Big Gov't, Big Law Enforcement, and Big Rehab will go broke.

28 posted on 07/05/2008 5:18:12 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (BARACK OBAMA WILL SAVE US! HE HAS RISEN!!)
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To: tbpiper
Pornogrophy is legal but very detrimental

But it's REGULATED, if it was ILLEGAL there'd be child porn and bestiality and all other crap sold underground. Porn mostly exists on the internet now, where parents can block it from their children. The bookstores and peep booths have went out of business.

29 posted on 07/05/2008 5:22:44 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (BARACK OBAMA WILL SAVE US! HE HAS RISEN!!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The bookstores and peep booths have went out of business.

You don't get out much, do you?

30 posted on 07/05/2008 7:18:52 PM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: tbpiper
This may come as a shock to you, but as a society, we need to take a moral stand.

Great. Another liberal busybody slithers in under the false pretense of being 'conservative'.

L

31 posted on 07/05/2008 7:22:09 PM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR, to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: LonghornFreeper
To someone like you

Clarify your statement.

you consider the role of govnerment relative to the people to be roughly the same as the role of parents relative to their children. Classic nanny state, "Big Brother knows whats best for us" mentality. Thanks for getting it out in the open for us.

Nice strawman. Now, why don’t you hop down off that libertarian high horse and stick to the argument?

Which is “immoral things should be legal because people are going to do them anyway”, in case you’ve forgotten.

By the way, how do you justify this:

prostitution should be legal if all involved are adults. That doesn't mean I think it is morally right

Do you have a sliding scale of morality or is it based on something solid? Just what wouldn’t you allow in your neighborhood?

32 posted on 07/05/2008 7:36:38 PM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: Lurker
Great. Another liberal busybody slithers in under the false pretense of being 'conservative'.

Ok, so as a society, we should not take a moral stand?

t

33 posted on 07/05/2008 7:43:18 PM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: tbpiper
Ok, so as a society, we should not take a moral stand?

Take all the moral stands you want. But keep your greedy hands off my wallet and your idiot ideas about 'enforcing' your morality at the point of a gun away from me.

Most especially, take a good hard look at Article 3, Section 8 of the US Constitution. Then pop on over to the FR homepage and have a gander at what the founder and owner of this forum has to say about it.

You're free to take any 'moral' stand you wish. What you're not free to do is forcibly take money from me so you can hire people to do what you're to big of a pussy to try to do yourself.

People like you are so frigging blind it makes me sick. In your headlong rush to enforce your twisted version of 'morality' you've become more imorral than you could possibly recognize.

'Moralists' like you have done more damage to what used to be a Constitutional Republic than you'll ever realize. It's my most fervent hope that one day you and yours are called to account for all of the evil you've done in the name of 'morality'.

L

34 posted on 07/05/2008 8:09:21 PM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR, to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: Lurker
Sorry if I touched a nerve with the prostitution thing. By the way, my copy of the U.S.Constitution, Article 3 runs out at section 3. What does your section 8 say?

O, and if you've got time, you just might want to elaborate on why you think my morality is twisted and what you think proper morality should be.

'Moralists' like you have done more damage to what used to be a Constitutional Republic than you'll ever realize.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Either about me personally or the moral underpinnings of the Constitution.

35 posted on 07/06/2008 9:58:53 AM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: tbpiper
This may come as a shock to you, but as a society, we need to take a moral stand.

Feel free to take a moral stand all you want. Just don't force me to. And while you are at it, don't erode my 4th amendment rights to further your moral stand. Thanx.

36 posted on 07/06/2008 10:05:32 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: tbpiper
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Either about me personally or the moral underpinnings of the Constitution.

Please elaborate.. while I guess I am not familiar with the moral underpinning of the constitution, I am familiar with teh concepts of federalism that mosts of the holier than thou crowd have no use for.

37 posted on 07/06/2008 10:09:55 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: Ron Jeremy
I am not familiar with the moral underpinning of the constitution

That pretty much sums it up. I rest my case.

38 posted on 07/06/2008 10:45:57 AM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: tbpiper
That pretty much sums it up. I rest my case.

1. Please enlighten me. 2. To be clear, I am greatly familiar with the constitution. I am not familiar with the sections that give people like you the right to tell everyone else what to do. Please provide the relevant information.

39 posted on 07/06/2008 10:57:40 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: Ron Jeremy
people like you

People like me keep this country from turning completely rancid. We're a preservative like salt.

2. To be clear, I am greatly familiar with the constitution.

Maybe with the words but not the motivation. You apparently know nothing of the men behind the document nor of the 'hand of Providence' in it's creation. Not that I think anyone linking themselves to such a loathsome creature as Ron Jeremy would have moral capacity to understand any of it.

40 posted on 07/06/2008 11:34:28 AM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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