Posted on 07/04/2008 9:10:39 AM PDT by David
“I take it as a given that it has been established that the Birth Certificate for Obama published on the several sites of his supporters is fraudulent.”
It is not a given. I take it as a given that Obama was born in Hawaii... Until anybody proves otherwise.
Did she have an off-campus apartment? Did her parents come to Hawaai for the birth of the baby? Was she living with Barack Senior at the time? Any rental records or Uni records available?
Great questions! I wish I knew the answers.
From what I've seen written the parents moved to Hawaii for new jobs. It looks like they went right after high school graduation, probably the summer of 1960. Ann's birthday was November 29th, 1942, so she was 17 when she met Obama Sr. and became pregnant.
I never saw anything written about her having a dorm room. I assumed that she was a day student, returning home at nights to her parents' home.
It's all very murky. Maybe someone has more information?
Hmm, you have some interesting info.
Did Stanley Ann live at home with her parents in HI? Anyone know where they lived? What job did her father hold? Her mother is still alive, and isn’t saying anything to the media. Would this change if Obama were elected?
These details certainly should be interesting to the general public. We tend to like to know everything we can about our presidents.
It helps to take time and really read things.
The statute has to do with IF HE WAS BORN OUT OF THE COUNTRY and only one parent was a citizen. It states in 1961 when Obama was born that that citizen parent had to have been a citizen of the U.S. for 10 years. Five years before the age of 16 and five years after the age of 14-16. Since his mother was the citizen and she gave birth to him at 18 she did not meet the 5 years after the age of 14-16. BUT IF HE WAS BORN IN THE U.S. it does not matter what age the citizen parent was he would be a natural born citizen.
I guess you think this was a ridicules waste of time also.
First of all, if it gets far enough, this has to be settled by the Supreme Court. Period.
“McCain is a little more straightforward. He was born (we have not confirmed but understand from sources we view as credible) to two U S Citizen parents in a hospital in Panama not on the U S Military base.”
I dislike McCain, so don’t think I am defending him. Here is the puzzle:
Folks out there insist McCain was born at Coco Solo Naval Base, Canal Zone, located on the Atlantic side of the isthmus.
If he was born on the Atlantic side, he could not have been born at Coco Solo because Coco Solo Hospital wasn’t built until ‘41-‘42. He was born in ‘36.
This would mean that he was born in Colón Hospital, Republic of Panama, and not the Canal Zone. (Colón Hospital is a short distance from Coco Solo.)
But a couple of years ago or less, I read here on FR his father was stationed at Quarry Heights, Canal Zone, located on the Pacific side (not Coco Solo). A couple of hundred yards past the front gate was Gorgas Hospital, our civilian hospital located in the Canal Zone. This means he would have been born at Gorgas Hospital, which was the nearest hospital.
Now this brings up another point:
If he was born at Colón Hospital, Panamanian territory, how could he have become a naval “officer” at that time in his career? Inlisted yes. Officer no.
P.S.
I forgot to mention:
Panamanian law makes McCain a Panamanian citizen if he was born in Panamanian territory (Colón Hospital). And no, there is no place one can renounce ones Panamanian citizenship if born in Panamanian territory. Born in Panamanian territory, always a Panamanian.
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Time Magazine April 21, 2008 page 37-38
After she finished high school, her father whisked the family away again- this time to Honolulu, after he heard about a big new furniture store there. Hawaii had just beocme a state, and it was the new frontier. Stanley grudgingly went along yet again, enrolling in the University of Hawaii as a freshman.
The article goes on about a movie she had seen before going to Hawaii, (and Obama later saw it) "Black Orpheus"he then writes in his memoir, "Dreams from My Father, "that the depiction of childlike blacks I was now seeing on the screen...was what my mother had carried with her to Hawaii all those years before, a reflection of the simple fantasies that had been forbidden to a white middle-class girl from Kansas, the promise of another life, warm, sensual, exotic, different."
Might be worth seeing.
I appreciate all the research being done here and explanations and law as far as we can take it regarding this strange set of circumstances of birth.
I have to whine yet once more:
Obama is a candidate for the Office of the President of the United States of America and as such should have show full and valid disclosure in original form or certified copy from the proper authorities to guarantee he is an citizen of the United States.
He seems rather casual allowing all this conjecture to continue - does he disrespect the necessaries of the people and the Office of the Presidency that his papers be in order? That he is a qualified candidate for the Office?
The people should be demanding he offer validated proof. NOW
Some kinda leader that will make....
Good analysis. You’ve interpreted the law the way I have see it as it applies to Obama.
There is scuttlebutt that Republican operatives went to Kenya a while ago to find proof of Obama's birth and were successful having found a birth certificate as evidence.
index - thanks
Thanks for the YouTube link. I wonder what the whole movie was about that made Obama think it influenced his mother.
Her father worked in a furniture store. Her mother worked at the Bank of Hawaii and eventually, in 1970, became one of the first female bank vice presidents there.
It’s a remake of the story of Orpheus and Euridices set in Rio during Carnival. If you search the title Black Orpheus you will find a synopsis of the movie’s story. Maybe his mother was fascinated with the idea that black people could identify with an ancient Greek story. Besides the kids were kind of cute, the girl is very pretty and the guy, the romantic lead, is a good-looking black with a good singing voice. The story probably made her cry. Sounds like a typical teenage reaction to the movie to me—at least that’s probably how I would have reacted to it when I was her age. I wouldn’t mind seeing it, if it were ever on TV. Maybe when she met BOH sr. She thought he was going to be just like the guy in the movie and then found herself being “punished with a baby” and a guy that was tired of playing house with a dreamer.
Tell you what. If it turns out that Obama is ruled ineligible for the Presidency by reason of the circumstances of his birth, by any court in this country, I'll stand you a porterhouse steak at any restaurant you like.
-ccm
Tell you what. If I lose, I will settle for a hamburger at McDonalds. LOL!
Have you seen this?
It might be a partial answer to why the newspaper piece (on the other thread).
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