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[McCain's]Progress with Christian conservative elites (Please read)
The Politico ^ | July 02, 2008 | Jonathan Martin

Posted on 07/03/2008 2:02:59 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A good sign for the McCain camp from an absolutely essential constituency. It's not so much that these leaders can move thousands of votes, but to have them off the reservation and teeing up unhelpful quotes for the next four months would have been a huge problem for the GOP.

Reports Michael Scherer:

At a meeting Tuesday in Denver, about 100 conservative Christian leaders from around the country agreed to unite behind the candidacy of John McCain, a politician they have long distrusted, marking the latest in a string of movement that bodes well for McCain's general election prospects among the Republican base.

"Collectively we feel that he will support and advance those moral values that we hold much greater than Obama, who in our view will decimate moral values," said Mat Staver, the chairman of Liberty Counsel, a legal advocacy group, who previously supported Mike Huckabee's candidacy.

"There are people who came through the primary with very mixed emotions of the candidate," Staver continued, noting that many in the group had been in Denver to attend a separate meeting for pastors. "This event was to put those aside."

The group included leaders like Phyllis Schlafly, the longtime leader of Eagle Forum; Steve Strang, the publisher of Charisma magazine; Phil Burress, a prominent Ohio marriage and anti-pornography activist; David Barton, the founder of WallBuilders; and Donald Hodel, a former secretary of the Interior, who previously served on the board of Focus on the Family. Jim Dobson, the head of Focus and an outspoken critic of McCain, did not attend. The McCain campaign was also not directly represented at the meeting.

A second person who attended the event, but asked not to be named, said that the group was motivated principally by a desire to defeat Barack Obama. "None of these people want to meet their maker knowing that they didn't do everything they could to keep Barack Obama from being president," the participant said. "You've got these two people running for president. One of them is going to become president. That's the perspective. That that's the whole discussion."


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Read that two or three times, if need be, especially the money quote: "...the group was motivated principally by a desire to defeat Barack Obama. "None of these people want to meet their maker knowing that they didn't do everything they could to keep Barack Obama from being president," the participant said. "You've got these two people running for president. One of them is going to become president. That's the perspective. That that's the whole discussion."
1 posted on 07/03/2008 2:02:59 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Supporting a socialist like McCain does nothing for the conservative cause.


2 posted on 07/03/2008 3:01:10 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D

When we’re both in line for gruel at the reeducation camp next Spring, remind me about what a socialist Senator McCain is and why President Obama is no worse than Johnny would’ve been, okay?


3 posted on 07/03/2008 3:05:04 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only the Marxist Obama can!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"None of these people want to meet their maker knowing that they didn't do everything they could to keep Barack Obama from being president"

McCain wasn't my first choice, and I've certainly been very critical of him here on this forum. In my view, he's flip-flopped on several key issues (such as border security, building the wall first for example) and I really doubt his sincerity in changing his positions.

Having said that, he does at least have a record of being a fiscal hawk, and I for one have a strong desire to see fiscal responsibility return to this country. Based on his record of not pursuing earmarks for example, I've come to the conclusion that this country has a far better chance of returning to fiscal responsibility without massive tax hikes that will kill our economy, and our American way of life under a McCain Presidency than under a Marxist/socialist OBama administration.

And because of that, I will vote for McCain this November. My mind's made up.

The tipping point for me, was Weasley Clark's criticism of McCain "not necessarily being qualified" to be President and his allusion to McCain as a POW during the Vietnam war. I'm not a Vet and I didn't qualify for service due to a physical disability of my own however I have nothing but the highest regard for those who put their butts on the line to defend this country. In every way John McCain put his arse on the line for this country during the Vietnam era. Where was Weasley Clark?

If suffering through more than 5 years of torture as a son of a Senator, and being credited for helping keep others alive as a result so they could come home from the Vietnam war isn't a demonstration of McCain's character, courage and integrity, I don't know what is.

One last comment, wasn't Weasley Clark fired by the Clinton Administration as Nato Commander in Chief? Isn't this the same Weasley Clark who was turned away from the Presidential Nomination in 2004 by his own party? Isn't this the same Weasley Clark who claimed not a single loss in Bosnia/Kosovo, while allowing millions of people to be slaughtered during that conflict because he kept our troops on the base while the slaughter and fighting happened?

Seems to me Weasley Clark doesn't know how to put his butt on the line and be accountable for his decisions. At least McCain has demonstrated the character, integrity and tenacity to do so.

And that makes John McCain a far better candidate for President than Barak OBama (and his now formerly assumed VP candidate Weasley Clark) would ever be.

This is why I'll now willingly crawl through broken glass on election day to vote for McCain. There is just no way on God's beautiful earth that I could possibly stand idly by and let the most unqualified, post-racially divisive, corrupt politician ever to come from the people's socialist republiK of Illinoyed to ever step foot in the White House as this country's President. I live here, I know what OBama did in Illinois (absolutely NOTHING) and there's simply nothing in his "experience" that would qualify that man to EVER step foot in the same Oval Office that Ronald Reagan once occupied.

4 posted on 07/03/2008 3:09:54 AM PDT by usconservative (Reform Government: Hang 'em all on Thursday; Try 'em all for treason on Friday.)
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To: Man50D
Supporting a socialist like McCain does nothing for the conservative cause.

And allowing the most un-qualified person ever to run for and win the Presidency of the United States does?

I simply cannot stomach the thought of Barak OBama sitting in the same Oval Office that Ronald Reagan once occupied and used to return this country to it's greatness.

The thought of OBama sitting in that chair and implementing his marxist/socialist policies, undoing all of Reagan's hard work simply sends enough of a chill down my spine that I'll crawl through broken glass on election day to vote for McCain.

It's my hope that McCain would at the very least begin restoring financial sanity to this country.

5 posted on 07/03/2008 3:12:51 AM PDT by usconservative (Reform Government: Hang 'em all on Thursday; Try 'em all for treason on Friday.)
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To: Man50D
How does a POTUS Obama help the conservative cause?
6 posted on 07/03/2008 3:20:10 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m a little worried about McCain’s numbers right now.

And I dont’ see much life from the campaign that suggests they know how to move them.

But we’ll see.


7 posted on 07/03/2008 3:24:36 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: ishabibble
How does a POTUS Obama help the conservative cause?

How does supporting a socialist from either the socialist Democrats or GOP advance the conservative cause?
8 posted on 07/03/2008 3:26:46 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D
The U.S. Military and the SCOTUS are the two main reasons that Obama must be defeated. Our nuclear program is another. Here is Barry telling you to your face that he will gut our weapons programs.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1997985/posts

The more this guy talks, the easier the choice becomes. I was a staunch Duncan Hunter supporter, so I didn't get what I wanted, either. That is not the issue anymore. I'd like to keep my country, though, and Mr. Marxist/Black Liberation Hopenchanges has made it clear that he will take it away. So, it's McCain ‘08 and a healthy and active course of addressing my gov’t at every opportunity. It won't be easy, but if Obama gets in, I doubt that we could ever recover.

9 posted on 07/03/2008 3:43:47 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: ishabibble
"How does a POTUS Obama help the conservative cause?"

We have several in our forum that have taken the idiotic position that they'd rather let Obama and the former Weather Underground terrorists take over the country than see John McCain get their votes.

They claim that they are sticking to their "conservative principles" but to anyone with the reasoning abilities above 5th graders they'd understand that our country would be wrecked with that tactic.

Real conservatives actively work to heal the country and to influence everything we can through hard work. We can do that with a McCain administration - and in fact, it already appears that McCain is adopting a more conservative direction. We won't have much effect on Obama and the San Francisco wing of the Democrats.

10 posted on 07/03/2008 3:47:39 AM PDT by Chinstrap61a
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To: usconservative

You wrote well in expressing your point of view.

A couple of factual nitpicks:

Where was Clark when McCain put himself on the line in Vietnam?, you asked. Implying Clark wasn’t involved. But he was in Vietnam, and left with combat wounds. I don’t know the details of what happened to him, but he was there long enough to get wounded.

In the Balkans, I don’t think millions of people were killed. It was a bad scene and many civilians were killed and Clark was a very poor general, but millions? No.

Those nitpicks aside, as I said, you wrote a good post.

I don’t spend my time arguing with people who literally pride themselves on their vote decision, whatever it might be, and throw back in your face with glee and gusto any point made to the contrary.

You didn’t do that in your long post...all you did was explain your own decision.

But the rest of this thread is the kind I’m speaking of...


11 posted on 07/03/2008 3:54:15 AM PDT by txrangerette (Just say "no" to the Obama Cult.)
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To: usconservative

Please don’t confuse Chicago liberals and the multi-generational welfare leeches that keep them in power with the rest of Illinois— most everything outside the city is red state.


12 posted on 07/03/2008 3:58:02 AM PDT by sthguard (The problem isn't Islamic terrorists; it's terroristic Islam!)
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To: Chinstrap61a
I now have a hard time distinguishing between the “temper tantrum” real FReepers and the trolls from the Left. They are both putting out the same message...vote Obama.

I just cannot understand it.

13 posted on 07/03/2008 3:58:37 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I could rant for hours about how bad this election cycle is the worst in my lifetime. I am so angry with the GOP for sticking us with McCain, but Obama scares the life out of me. I don't care how much everyone who has a TV, radio or political voice plays down Obama's muslim roots and connections, I can't shake the idea. That frightens me more than his communist beliefs, which frightens me a lot.

McCain is anything but conservative and I'm sure he is only planning on one term and will do what he damn well pleases because of that. He will shove amnesty down our throats without fear. I don't trust his Supreme Court nominees either, but it's a given the kind Obama will put forth.

The only reason I can find to vote for McCain is for our military. I can't find any reason to vote for Obama or to not vote at all and chance Obama will win. I will whole heartedly vote for the conservatives down ticket.

I am praying a lot that the majority of young voters who look at Obama like he is the second coming will not make it to the polls.

14 posted on 07/03/2008 4:19:37 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: ishabibble

When another person does not believe the same way you do, insult them first before attempting to understand them.

That way, you may best avoid the flaws in your own outlook, as well as be allowed to keep over reacting to other points of view. In doing so, you push others away from your way of thinking and are allowed to keep flexing your knees in a highly exaggerated configuration.


15 posted on 07/03/2008 4:20:33 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: ishabibble; Man50D

“The U.S. Military and the SCOTUS are the two main reasons that Obama must be defeated.”

Ditto

There are millions of unborn babies and American Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen & Marines and their families depending on it.

Semper Fi,
Kelly


16 posted on 07/03/2008 4:31:06 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I admire your consistant push for McCain. I know you think it would be much better to have him than Obama for President. I do too, but again as I've explained to you I predict a majority of conservatives will not vote FOR McCain because he is a liberal coddler and a conservative backstabber, so he is going to have to win with independents and fencesitters.

It would probably be a much better tactic trying to convince milquetoast nambies than grassroots conservatives who know better!

17 posted on 07/03/2008 4:36:01 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Vote Conservative Repuplican!!)
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To: usconservative

Amen and Amen. Well said. I have the same view.


18 posted on 07/03/2008 4:36:41 AM PDT by rep-always
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To: YellowRoseofTx
Ditto's!!!!!!!!

The very though of our military having to salute Obama, makes me want to vomit!

19 posted on 07/03/2008 4:40:11 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (In honor of my husband who served his country with honor. HLM July 21, 1935-July 08,2008)
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To: Man50D

“Supporting a socialist like McCain does nothing for the conservative cause.”

No, but NOT supporting his candidacy will do a lot for (B. Hussein Obama’s) Communism.


20 posted on 07/03/2008 4:43:26 AM PDT by RoadTest ( Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spake of the temple of his body.)
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