Posted on 07/01/2008 7:23:43 PM PDT by Coleus
Are we talking Wichita.... KANSAS!?
Dude, that's misdemeanor battery. Look it up. I'm entirely sympathetic to the pastor's free speech rights and to what he was saying. But he was stupid and did his cause a disservice when he threw the button.
The cops wanted him gone. He gave them the perfect excuse.
This ranks as one of the top 10 idiotic posts I've ever seen on FR. And I am Catholic.
LOL WUT??
Divorce (by breaking the God-ordained bond between husband and wife) and contraception (by acting to alienate the act of conjugal love from human life) are far more destructive to the institution of the family than is homosexual intercourse. Homosexual acts are by definition outside of and unrelated to family life; divorce is the murder of a family, while contraception is in direct contravention to God's command to be fruitful and multiply.
Society can survive any amount of gay sex, but it cannot survive without families and children, which are destroyed by divorce and contraception.
I’d be happy to point out the relevant portions of the Catechism to you.
“Why is it that we Christians spend so much time and energy objecting to the first sin. . .”
I think it’s because the homosexual groups are militant, and forcing social acceptance through our schools, military, and laws.
The other “sins” you mentioned (I am not sure myself about all of them, but whatever) are not being promoted with flags on the street, newspaper editorials, big fat parades, etc.
Actually, I’d take issue with you and say that divorce, save for abuse, desertion or adultery, is a direct attack on the family.
It’s because so many heterosexuals have made a joke of marriage that the homosexual marriage movement has gotten as far as it has.
The article reports actions by the pastor that are wrong - he went beyond handing out literature. I agree with his point of view - the Bible is clear about that. I disagree with the park being off-limits; renting out a government owned facility doesn’t turn it into private property. The pastor, as all Christians, should behave himself. Throwing something - even if it was harmless - displays arrogance. Not good for the Christians to behave in such a fashion.”
That is a good point. It does not matter what people believe. However, Religion does not excuse harassment.
No, that is battery. It's illegal, and anyone who defends it is just as wrong. We should "keep our hands to ourselves", just as we should have learned in kindergarten.
2. He was crashing a private event.
Yes, it seems that he was.
3. Homosexual intercourse is a sin. So is remarriage after divorce. So is playing with oneself. So is the use of artificial birth control. Why is it that we Christians spend so much time and energy objecting to the first sin and less on the others? It can’t be that gay sex is worse than other sins — divorce and contraception in particular cause far more damage to society (and to human beings) than does b-—f-——g.
Perhaps because, as the Bible advises us, it is often easier to point out the mote than it is to remove the beam? "Any why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?" Matthew 7:3
We are all sinners; the Gospel is a gift of love from one sinner to another, not a missile to be thrown at people. While I sympathize with those who desire to evangelize homosexuals, I do not see how being a dick brings them any closer to Christ — the only Hope any of us have.
This.
I agree. B-Chan must be a little light in the loafers to provide such a worthless post.
I agree. B-Chan must be a little light in the loafers to provide such a worthless post.
I agree. B-Chan must be a little light in the loafers to provide such a worthless post.
I thought B-Chan made a valid point. Could either of you explain why you disagree with him?
Do you have a source for this point?
Divorce does not say “the nuclear family is an outdated notion, and any two or more adults of whatever gender, who claim to love each other, constitute a family”.
They weren't getting very famous doing gay funerals, and I think many sympathic people were willing to look the other way as long as they were just doing those. The military funeral bit is relatively recent. It got them far more famous, but pretty much eliminated their sympathy base.
It was just an excuse to arrest him for non-PC speech. I doubt the charges will go anywhere, but it was enough to remove him from the area so he can't exercise his First Amendment rights.
So where did that leave me with the Church? Basically, hung out to dry unless I sought an annulment. Well, why the hell should I have to jump through hoops because the Vatican wants some documentation? I did nothing wrong, but just as in civil law, it's hassle, time and money coming out of me. No thanks.
I remarried outside the Church a few years ago. I have no regrets.
B-1 Bob Dornan told the story that it was homosexual code to ask “if you have ever been to Emerald City”. It was a way for homosexuals to make contact in a straight environment. Continuing on the Wizard of Oz allusion, one has to say as Dorothy said to ToTo “we aren’t in Kansas anymore”, and it looks as though Wichita has become Emerald City.
It is pretty well established that the institution of pederasty was at its high point of acceptance during what is generally considered the greatest period of Greek civilization - from the battle of Marathon to conquest by Alexander. Perhaps the greatest of all Greek generals, Epaminondas, created the institution of the Sacred Band, 300 openly homosexual lovers whom he used as shock troops, very successfully, I might add.
Homosexuality in Rome was probably most accepted during the first two centuries AD, with several Emperors such as Calugula and Hadrian being very open about their practices. This period has generally also been considered the high point of the Empire by most historians, with Gibbon only one of a very long line.
After this period, acceptance decreased, with the Christian emperors instituting the death penalty for sodomy, burning alive if I remember correctly.
Unlike some homosexual activists, I do not claim that the open acceptance of homosexual practices caused these civilizations to peak at this time. Correlation does not equal causation.
However, if homosexuality being accepted = automatic decline and fall, you sure can’t tell it from the history of these two cultures.
Caligula and Commodus are two flaming examples of bisexuality and bad government.The empire collapsed several hundred years after these guys, often used as examples of the horrible nature of homosexually dominated governments.
OTOH, Hadrian was apparently a confirmed faggot and he is generally accepted as an excellent emperor.
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